All people with a gay orientation develop that orientation at a young age however, some choose to deny it, get married, destroy their lives and the lives of their wives and children by abadoning their marriages.
That is like blaming all heterosexuals, for str8 people that leave their families for someone else. It is the same situation.
Also you are the one saying only str8 relationships are right and they should to forget their orientation, be celebate or enter into hetersexual relationships. That is exactly the result of that.
I realized I had different desires than other boys when I was 12 or 13; seldom dated girls and have been single my whole life. The APA's stance is only partially true. Sexual orientation can be changed.
Gee, 38,000 mental illness health professionals or religious fundie organizations that want to make there book look perfect? I think I will pick the first one.
I don't know about you but I absolutley know I was born this way. I was there.
It doesn't matter if it can be changed or not. There is nothing to change in the first place. It is being in a loving relationship. Love is not to be changed but celebrated.
I for one have never seen a mental health professional seeking help in changing my sexual orientation and usually advise those seeking information to avoid "mental health professionals" who will not help them achieve their personal goals.
I wonder why, maybe because they don't want to be exposed to what they are doing? Who knows?
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I have observed the culture upclose and have seen its distructiveness and loneiness. I have seen that possesions can't make one happy nor position. As well the fickleness of gay males and in having a relationship with one has no strong foundations to succure all that one might invest in. I have had my live pulled out from under me 3 times after having given my all leaving me devastated. It has left me believing that all roads end up leading to destruction.
I'm sorry unless you or me is a psychologist we can't determine the exact reason they are acting in that way. Sometimes not even the doctor can't.
This person has had there hearts broken buy three spouses. That is just like when str8 women have there hearts broken and say they hate all men and start to date women. There not really gay, they are just doing something rational out of something they have been traumatized by. That is just one of the many possiblities.
You can't get one person to speak for the entire gay population. That is not fact. I am very happy being gay and love the relationship I am in. The only bad part I have experienced is the bigotry in society about it.
This is a quote from an email I received from a gay male looking for real support in changing his sexual orientation. He has made a decision, not because of the hateful rhetoric you claim we are spreading but because of gay culture itself. Quote:
It's as easy as eating an ice-cream cone to deconstuct same-sex marriage without the slightest reference to Scripture or church doctrine. Although I hate dogma in any form - be it religious or gay activist - I recognize the universal truth that no major world religion has ever endorsed homosexuality which can be openly practised only in peaceful, affluent and cosmopolitan times. Even in classical antiquity, homosexuality was controversial, and despite the exaggerated claims of todays partisans, there was no place or period where it flourished in complete freedom
from moral opprobrium..
As an openly gay male, I have no problem conceding that heterosexuality is and will always be the great human norm. But I have no time for the modern, feel-good, pop-culture mentality that facilely equates homosexuality with heterosexuality and asks no deep questions about human psychology beyond the the superficial liberal-vs-conservative, freedom-vs-oppression dichotomy. And I have even less time for the unsatiable demands and infantile caterwauling of my radical brothers and sisters who want to make the whole world their closet.
Homosexuals Opposed to Pride Extremism
My answer is the same as the first qoute. This person could have self hating issues or an anti gay person posing as a gay person or who knows what else.
However this claim seems a little biased. To indicate an anti gay conservative person posing as someone gay. I'm not liberal or conservative but I know a biased person when I see one.
superficial liberal-vs-conservative,
freedom-vs-oppression
This man understands the real issue and it has absolutely nothing to do with acceptance from religions; it is everything to do with self-acceptance.
I accept myself very much and love it. You seem to have person excepting me for who I am.
Angelbaby you will never change or alter in any way my personal faith
How closemindedness limits us.
or the fact that I have changed my orientation and will continue to encourage those who find gay life unhappy, lonely, miserable, unstable, etc. who want to change. If you are gay and happy with your life, then go live your life and let those who seek transformation because of their interpretation of the Bible alone. If you really love them you won't deny them the right to seek information and will support them in their struggles if for no other reason than it is their choice.
I'm not against people choosing to want to change there orientation if they want to and are not pressured by religious organizations or society or don't have self hating issues. There is no reason to want to change, it is a form of love but different strokes for different folks is what I say. In that case it would be a choice in taste. Like apples and oranges.
My understanding of the Bible is that God loves all human beings, however God hates disobedience and will judge those who disobey His perfect will. When the Bible states God hates people it is a way of stating He will judge their actions and their choices. Even human courts judge people based on their actions regardless of who they are. Stealing, murder, perjury, assault are all criminal offenses that land loving, compassionate people in prison seperating them from the fellowship of mankind.
Follow your choice in interpretation as you will, everyone has the right to do so, non Christians too but I'm just concerned about the untrue you spread about gays to make your book look perfect. Like the one you told me about gays being mentally ill or it is related to people that molest children and have sex with animals. Gays have to leap over a lot of morals to do such a thing because being gay is only loving someone different than the gender you would choose.