1. Are you saying that the scripture is wrong? Hence saying that God is a liar? Answer this question ... theres two possible answers ... yes or no. No inbetweens, so answer correctly and dont shift topics either.
The scripture is not only wrong but also corrupted.
God Almighty is not a liar, but the alleged authors of the Bible are a bunch of LIARS.
The history of Israel from Abraham to David: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah and brothers, Perez (and Zerah), Hezron, Ram, Amminadob, Nahshon, Salmon, Boaz, Obed, Jesse, and David. That’s 14 generations from Abraham to David. We don’t count Zerah as he is the same generation as Perez.
2. From David to deportation to Babylon: David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Abijah, Asa, Jehoshaphat, Joram, Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Manasseh, Amon, Josiah. That’s 14 generations. Notice that the passage says: "from David to the deportation." Therefore, David is considered the first generation in the deportation.
3. From Babylon to the time of Jesus: Jeconiah, Shealtial, Zerubbabel, Abiud, Elikim, Azor, Zadok, Achim, Eljud, Eleazar, Matthan, Jacob, Joseph, Jesus. 14 generations
In the same way I can count 15 names from David to the exile to Babylon: I can count also Jeconiah since Jeconiah existed at the time of the exile to Babylon. Notice the passage says: "from David to the exile to Babylon".
More:
- Matthew omits three generations (Kings) after Joram -- namely Ahaziah, Joash, and Amaziah (1 Chron. 3:11-12).
- Even in Ezra 7:1-5, six generations of priesthood are omitted, compared to 1 Chron. 6:3-15, thus such an omission in Hebrew genealogies is not peculiar to Matthew’s religious considerations.
- He names Zerah (Za’ra) as well as Perez (Pha’res) and mentions the brothers of Judah and of Jeconiah, which is unusual.
- Rachab and Ruth are gentiles. The only Rachab mentioned in the Tanakh was the Rachab of the Conquest who lived about two hundred years before Boaz. Every significant Church Father who commented on Matthew 1:5 assumed that Matthew was referring to the Rachab of the Conquest
- Abiud through Matthan are not found in the Old Testament, but taken from a public registry.
- Abija begat Asa; :8 And Asa begat Josaphat”
Generally, the oldest extant Greek manuscripts such as the Sinaitic and Vatican codices have the Greek equivalent of the English “Asaph” instead of “Asa” who according to the Tanakh should be in this location. The NASB has a footnote for Matthew 1:7 indicating that the Greek word was the equivalent of the English “Asaph”. Most of the older Greek manuscripts indicating “Asaph” were unknown to the translators of the KJV.
- According to I Chronicles 2:10 it was Ram that begat Aminadab, not Aram. The earliest extant Greek manuscripts have the Greek equivalent of the English "Aram" for Matthew 1:4. (so presumably the KJV is correctly translating Matthew's error). The NIV has changed "Aram" to "Ram" correcting Matthew's error. The LXX states that Aram begat Aminadab so it's likely that Matthew made his error by simply copying from the LXX as he apparently was not fluent in Hebrew and so could not check the original Hebrew language. Some Bible scholars do theorize that the LXX was changed in some places to conform to the Gospels and that this is one of those instances. In any case Matthew's apparent use of "Aram" does not agree with any known Hebrew text and in the absence of any evidence that the Hebrew use of "Ram" was the result of any change would be an error by Matthew.
More from your own people:
The Gospel according to Matthew traced Jesus genealogy from Abraham (Matthew 1:1-16). Matthew divided it into three groups of fourteen generations: from Abraham to David, from Solomon to Babylonian exile and from Babylonian exile to Jesus. But there are only forty-one, not forty-two names in the list. In the second group to produce fourteen names Matthew omitted four names (cf. 1 Chronicles 3:10-16): Ahaziah, Joash, Amaziah (between Joram and Uzziah) and Jehoiakim (between Josiah and Jechoniah). Thus to produce three groups of fourteen generations each the name Jechoniah had to be repeated in the second and third groups. Whilst omitting names in a genealogy is unacceptable to us, it is attestable in the Bible. For example in 1 Chronicles 6:33-43, between Heman and Levi there are twenty-one generations or names but only fourteen between Asaph (Heman's brother) and Levi, indicating that some names might be omitted. Comparing the same genealogies in Ezra 7:1-5 and 1 Chronicles 5:29-40 shows that the former is shorter by five names. Note also there are around 750 years between Abraham and David, around 400 years between David and Babylonian exile and around 600 years between Babylonian exile and Jesus; thus it is unlikely we can have the same number of generations in the three groups. The reason why Matthew was concerned with the number fourteen might be because the number corresponds to the numerical value of the name David. Matthew traced Jesus ancestor through His kingly line, i.e. the names in the second group are kings of Judah. After Jechoniah none of his descendants became king according to the prophecy given through prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 22:30). Interestingly the Bible says that the Messiah must be David’s descendant through Solomon (2 Samuel 7:12-13, 1 Chronicles 17:11-14). Yet God promised that He would raise another righteous branch of David (Jeremiah 23:5). Christians believe that this prophecy refers to Jesus, the Messiah (Christ) to whom God will give the throne of David and who will reign forever (Luke 1:32-33). Note that while Jesus is legal son of Joseph, He is not his biological son (Luke 1:34-35, 3:23) and therefore He is not a descendant of Jechoniah. Jesus Himself quoting from Psalms 110:1 said that the Messiah could not be biological descendant of David (Matthew 22:43-44, Luke 20:41-44).
http://www.catholic-legate.com/articles/w-jesus2.htm
The literal meaning of the 42 generations in Matt 1:2-16. Are there really three sets of fourteen generations in Matthew's genealogy? According to Catholic historical-critic Raymond Brown, there are "only thirteen generations or begettings" in the first set, there are indeed fourteen generations in the second set, but, says Brown, at the price of omitting four historical generations," which "seems to indicate that the evangelist was not aware of the omissions in his list, or at least that he did not make such omissions himself," and "there are again only thirteen generations" in the third set. 1 These and similar questions raised by Brown and other historical-critics regarding this genealogy were raised long ago by the Fathers of the Church and answered with remarkable insight, although there remains a certain amount of mystery, seemingly left intentionally by the Holy Spirit in order to challenge readers to ponder the text. Since I have treated these questions at length in a former article,2 I shall here make only some summary comments.
http://www.rtforum.org/study/lesson8.html
And no ... you've not debunked any of my Numerics which i talk about ... infact i still haven't got your answer to one of my questions ... Why is it that the number Seven occurs so much in the Bible in the surface text as well as being encoded numerically below the surface text? Would you like to try and give me a good answer?
Well your hersey has been bebunked and refuted.
By the way, I was reading an arabic book . Its name is "Faith and proves" (Al Iman Wal Bourhan) and I found something funny in it related to number 4:
- On page 92 (23x4) I noticed that 4 perons were mentioned.
- The second praragrah on page 136 (34x4) is composed of 28 words (7x4) and 124 letters (31x4)
- One of the persons in this book died at the age of 48 (12x4).
- One of the persons was 72 (18x4) years old.
- The book has 348 (87x4) pages.
- The preface is 4 pages.
- The author name is composed of 8 (4x2) letters.
- the year of publication 1973 (1+9+7+3)=20 (5x4)
- The name of the book (Al Iman Wal Bourhan) is 16 letters (4x4).
-The last page has only 4 lines.
Well this book must be really inspired by God. Right Scorpion?
I've not given up yet you know, and i wont give up. I know im right on this one.
Please don't because I am having fun with you
Alexei