I want do discuss some of the followng information in this topic regarding the Sufferer of Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, OT Prophecies of the Crucifixion, Jesus's bones and why Jesus could not have been just a prophet/messenger.
Jesus's Bones:
Psalm 22 verse 17 and Psalm 34:20 says -
"He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken."
This prophecy was fulfilled. John 19:32-33 Says -
"Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. 33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:"
The Roman soldiers did NOT break Jesus's bones, reason being is because Jesus already Died. How that quick? Jesus gave up his Spirit if you remember. Think about this, how can a man who has the power to give up his own Spirit and show authority of the Supernatural, be just a messenger? He cant.
The Roman soldier's broken the bones of the two theives that were on either side of Jesus during the crucifixion. Basically whenever somebody was crucified, if they did not die quick enough, the Soldiers would break their legs so that the weight of the person's body would not be supported by their legs, and thus hang, resulting in your internal parts of your body to be crushed, such as the Ribs/Lungs.
This did not happen to Jesus, it was already Prophecied was before in the Old Testament. And also even though there may have been a chance that a bone may have broken during the Crucifixion or nailing of the hands and feet is because God supernaturally protected Jesus's bones, remember ... It was already Propecied in the Old Testament, so there was no way in Heaven or Earth God would let this Prophecy fail. So God had to make sure he would protect Jesus's bones.
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Contraversary Of Isaiah 53...
Isaiah 53:9 States - "And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth"
The reason Muslims dont like the KJV and will find excuses of Corruption as per usual is because its a great translation. The above scripture uses the word DEATH clearly. No other word.
Regardless of what other versions say, the KJV is correct. I will post some historical information soon supporting the KJV.
See below ...
New American Standard Bible ...
Yet He was with a rich R2219 man in His death
American Standard Version...
and with a rich man in his death
Revised Standard Version...
and with a rich man in his death
Isaiah 53:9 uses the word Death. Perioid. So to those using other translations other than KJV, please do not debate about this issue. If you would like to debate, first use the KJV. If you dont like it, than dont debate at all.
========= Ressurection Prophecied In Old Testament ==========
Firstly ... People say the Ressurrection is not Mentioned in the Old Testament. Also ... God is not going to give revelations to those who do not want to know the truth and to those who reject the crucifixion. So for a start, if you're an unbeleiver, you wont find any Prophecies of the Resurrection of Jesus.
Firstly ... The Sign on Jonah that Jesus mentioned was a prophecy of the Resurrection. I've covered this one of the threads in the forum. The Sign of Jonah DID prophecy Jesus's resurrection.
The claim that there has been no Prophecy in the Old Testament of Jesus's resurrection is false. Jonah's sign was a prophecy, and Jesus even said about Jonah's sign.
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Isaiah 53 Continued...
firstly i want to look at Isaiah 52:14 which says...
As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men
Firstly ... You were not there to witness this event, so for people who make the assumption this did not happen, is rubbish.
Secondly ... Jesus before being crucified was given 39 lashes on his body. This whip was made from Chunks of bone and metal that would tear a person's flesh off from just one whip alone.
Third...Jesus was made to wear a Crown of THORNS. Imagine the blood that would run off his head and onto his face.
Jesus skin had been torn right off His bones. Perhaps this was from the Cat-o-nine-tails (a whip with nine strands of leather, each with a piece of glass, rock or jagged metal at the end). Most of the pictures of Jesus hanging on the cross show a little blood but this is not accurate. Jesus must have been bathed in blood from head to toe. The Roman soldiers ripped Jesus beard out, hit Him over he head repeatedly with a long staff to drive in the crown of sharp thorns, physically beat Him with their fists, stripped Him naked, spit upon Him, scourged Him with a whip—Jesus had been abused beyond recognition. Oh yes my friend, Jesus paid a great price for your salvation. I bid you please do not say “no” to Jesus.
Contraversary of Isaiah 53:11 Says -
He shall see of the TRAVAIL of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities
To those that use different translations and get the word "light" in this scripture, this is wrong. The KJV Bible does NOT use the word light. So for people who start twisting this scripture talking about Jesus seeing Light of Heaven or whatever, is completely false. Jesus wasn't raised to Heaven as Muslims claim. This is false.
Also ... Jesus HIMSELF prophecied about his DEATH AND RESURRECTION in the New Testament BEFORE the Crucifixion. If any of you have a problem with this, please take your complaints to God, not to anybody else.
Also ... The Jews did NOT steal Jesus's body. I will cover more DETAILED information in this thread that want to know the truth of why this would not be possible.
Now ... Here are choices you are going to have to make about Jesus ...
1. Jesus is a liar, a lunatic, a false prophet and so are all of the Old Testament prophets who prophecied about Jesus
or
2. Jesus is who he claimed to be ... God
Some people say ... Well, Jesus could alternatively be just a prophet. Well this is false and here's why ...
John 14:6 Says - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"
Jeuss clearly said ... I AM THE WAY and that no man comes to the Father but by HIM. So ... Who is this man that you cannot go into heaven except THROUGH HIM?
Can a messenger possibly make such a bold claim that you cannot get into Heaven except through him? Can an ordinary person be powerful enough to allow entrance into Heaven? NO.
Jesus also stated that he who has seen him, has seen the Father. Well ... thats a rather bold claim to make for a messenger isn't it?
John 14:9 Goes onto say ...
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen ME hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Also ... Jesus said that he is ONE with the Father.
"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
Gal. 4:16
Jesus' Own Claim to be the Son of God
Brings Muslim to Christ
Issue Date: July/August 2000
By David Daniels
You love Muslim people, and you want to witness to them. But when you talk to them about Jesus, they say, "Jesus was not God's Son! He was just another one of the prophets." In fact, they are likely to challenge you with the question: "Where did Jesus ever claim to be God's Son?"
The question is vital, because they are taught that Jesus was a prophet of God, and that prophets do not lie. Where did Jesus Himself make the claim to be God's Son?
The answer is right there, in God's preserved words. Don't try to use a corrupt modern version, it will let you down.
In John 10:36, Jesus said, "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"
Obviously, Jesus was being accused of blasphemy for claiming to be God's Son. Where did He say it? In the previous chapter, John 9:35-38, where Jesus had just healed the man born blind, and the Pharisees cast the healed man out of the synagogue.
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped him."
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I will discuss any ONE scripture or part of the crucifixion in this thread one at a time.
Thank you for your time.
Kind Regards,
Scorpz.