ArchivedGay marriage in MassachusettsYou know, Aineo, I <I>can't</I> prove you don't have a source for "The average life span of a gay man according to the CDC is 45 years." I can't prove you don't have a source for "The average gay man has a 50% chance of turning into a pink elephant," either. If, by any chance, you have a source for either one of those statements, I'd certainly like to see it. Can you be more specific? Well, I'm a starry-eyed gay twenty-something, which isn't too far off. Feel free to try to make me understand. If it's a fact, it shouldn't be too hard to prove. What biased sources? The page about Goodridge et. al.? My point there was that there <I>were</I> gay people in long-term relationships, after you made the generalization of "Gay relationships are short in duration." Are you going to argue with that? And I don't see you offering me any sources, biased or not -- am I missing something here? Point me in the direction of the "good" research, and I'll check into it. That New Directions page seemed fairly solid, but I didn't see anything there about causes of orientation. That said, if you believe that there are people who are naturally homosexual, what sort of message would you want to send <I>them?</I> Do you expect them (I'm inclined to say "us") to remain second-class citizens, simply to avoid any "confusion" on the part of the artificially gay? Okay. Could you possibly link to your source for that? Fine. But that wasn't my question. What's the relevance to <I>gay marriage,</I> the context in which this subject originally came up? I repeat: If gay people, on average, are more likely to have STDs -- or more short-term relationships, or shorter long-term relationships, or <I>whatever</I> -- do you think that means <I>none</I> of us should be allowed to marry? It's a yes-or-no question, although I understand that you may not have a simple answer. I'd still like <I>an</I> answer. AIDS groups and bars. Well, I can see why that would be stressful. But that isn't the be-all and end-all of "the gay community." Actually, you said "Gay relationships are short in duration." While there is no explicit "all" in that sentence, there is no "most," either. Personally, I suspect the majority of <I>relationships</I> are unstable. I refuse to conclude that they are not worth attempting. Since when does asking you to cite your sources constitute "ignoring" you? Funny thing is, I think my life qualifies as "reality" -- even if it doesn't conform with your notions of what "the" gay life is. I suspect that most gay people who want to get married don't fit that definition very well, either... and gay marriage is what I've been promoting. Feel free to supply any real information you'd care to. Are you speaking as the moderator of this forum, or should I take that to be rhetorical? I guess I missed the sign that says "Straights and/or Christians Only." Maybe it's implied in the nature of the site. But then, if I set up a forum on my (hypothetical) atheism site called "Christianity Discussion," I'd expect some Christians to show up. In fact, I'd be disappointed if they didn't -- what would be the point of it be? |
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