ThirdAndLong wrote:* I was born a Christian ,and thank Allah I'm cured.
* Claim by Christians :"Jesus spoke to his disciples about the Comforter and said that the Comforter was the Holy Spirit"
..FALSE:
It cannot be taken as the Holy Ghost, as the Church theology says. "It is expedient for you that I go away," says Jesus, "for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart I will send him unto you." The words clearly show that the Comforter had to come after the departure of Jesus, ***and was not with him when he uttered these words****. Are we to presume that Jesus was devoid of the Holy Ghost if his coming was conditional on the going of Jesus: besides, the way in which Jesus describes him makes him a human being, not a ghost. "He shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear that he shall speak." Should we presume that the Holy Ghost and God are two distinct entities and that the Holy Ghost speaks of himself and also what he hears from God?
* Conclusion : Jesus ,the Holy Spirit and God are different entities ..therefore you're NOT worshipping one God .
Matter consists of three different entities, yet it is still matter. Water can be hot, warm, or cold, and it is still water. Just because something is distinct from something else in some way, does not mean it is not one with whatever it is distinct with.
ThirdAndLong wrote:See above ..
If God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus are not one and the same , then worshipping Jesus = worshipping an idol.
-[ Baal -vs- The "Catholic" God ]-
INVENTED FOR THE PAGAN SUN GOD BAAL & CATHOLIC DOCTRINES OF THE VATICAN
1. The nativity of the Sun, the birth of Tammuz Dec.25 "PAGAN"& The nativity of Jesus, Christmas Dec 25"CHRISTIAN"
2. The Midsummer festival held Jun 24 "PAGAN" & The Nativity of St. John held June 24 "CHRISTIAN"
3. The assumption of Semiramus who became the mother godess "PAGAN" &The assumption of Mary, who became the mother of God "CHRISTIAN"
4. The mother goddess was worshipped as the Queen of Heaven. Jer. 7:18 "PAGAN" &The Virgin Mary worshipped as the Queen of Heaven" CHRISTIAN".
5. Cakes decorated to the goddess with a "+" drawn on it. Jer. 44:17,19 "PAGAN" &Hot cross buns "CHRISTIAN"
6. 40 days fasting for Tammuz, Ezek. 8:14 "PAGAN" & 40 days of Lent "CHRISTIAN"
7.Pagan festival of Easter. Ezek 8:16 "PAGAN" The festival of Easter " CHRISTIAN"
8. The ressurection of Tammuz at Easter and the procession of graven images during holy week "PAGAN" & The procession of graven images of Jesus, Mary, and Peter, and of the saints "CHRISTIAN"
9. Veneration of graven images of Baal, Ishtar, Tammuz and lesser gods in the heavens "PAGAN" VS Veneration of graven images of Jesus, Mary, Peter, and of the "lesser" saints in the heavens "CHRISTIAN"
10. The doctrine of purgatory" PAGAN" The doctrine of purgatory "CHRISTIAN"
11. Symbol of the cross as symbol of Sun worship. Mesopotamian cylinder seal depicted the "cross in the sky" as a symbol of sun worship. Ancient carvings of an Assyrian king has a huge cross carved on his chest. The oldest pictures in the world from Mesopotamia has text with is explaining the "cross" in the sky as the sun. This particular find is on display at the University Museum in Philadelphia "PAGAN" VS The crucifix " CHRISTIAN" .
Trinitarians = PAGANS = SUN-WORSHIPPERS ----> you need to repent.
Please mention your sources. Also, If you call Christians pagans, then I'll just call your god the moon god:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
Since you wanna mention things that have already been discussed, I'll do the same. Finally, Christianity was something planned by God since Genesis, when God promised the seed of the woman to crush the head of the serpant. Islam was something created by a man who was influenced by the religions around him and even copied/corrupted some of the teachings of Judeo-Christianity.
ThirdAndLong wrote:Who is the author of Hebrews? HINT: NOT GOD..Some of the candidates include: Silas, Luke, James, Clement of Rome, and strangely, Pricilla, the wife of Aquila, who both discipled Apollos, Paul ..!! It could be George W. Bush for all I care ..It's falsehood & demonic..believe what you want!
Atleast there is mauscript evidence to support the Holy Bible which gets rid of the claim of collusion. Where did most of the corrupted manuscripts of the Qu'ran go? I think I smell fire. Uthman!!!!!!!!!
ThirdAndLong wrote:* You were told to worship on the Sabbath..
*The [Catholic] Church took the pagan philosophy and made it the buckler of faith against the heathen. it took the pagan Roman Pantheon, temple of all the gods, and made it sacred to all the martyrs; so it stands to this day. it took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday. it took the pagan Easter and made it the feast . . . The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom . . . The sun has worshipers at this hour in Persia and other lands and you're no different.
Christ said He was the Lord of the Sabbath. It is perfectly O.K. to worship God on a Sunday in remembrance of Chrit's resurrection. In Jeremiah, God said the law will dwell in the "inward parts" of His future followers and it will no longer be like the days when He brought the jews out of Egypt. It will be a New Covenant. (Jeremiah 31:31-34).
Revering = to regard with deep respect and love ( consult a dictionary) and doesn't mean worship .Moslims DON'T WORSHIP THE KABBA ..MOSLIMS DON'T WORSHIP THE BLACK STONE ! how many times must I say this so you'd finally understand?
When you stop making claims that Christianity is pagan (which has already been refuted), then we will stop saying you worship the black stone.
False : since the following Prophets were neither lustful nor womanizers :
Abraham married THREE wives
Moses had TWO wives
David had six wives and numerous concubines (2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3) and Solomon was said to have had as many as 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21).
( They were all like Prophet Mohammed "PBUH" = NORMAL MEN)
They were not only normal men, they were sinners like you and I also. Just like you and me and everyone else.
ThirdAndLong wrote:*Moses chose Joshua to lead the people in war against Amalek .
*Joshua 8:26 "For Joshua did not withdraw his hand with which he stretched out the javelin until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai".
*Joshua 11:19 "There was not a city which made peace with the sons of Israel except the Hivites living in Gibeon; they took them all in battle".
*The Lord God declares Judah successor to Joshua
Judges 1:1 Now after the death of Joshua it came to pass, that the children of Israel asked the LORD, saying, Who shall go up for us against the Canaanites first, to fight against them?
*So did King David
avid slays the Philistinian
Samuel I 17:45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied. by his successful wars,he succeeded in making Israel an independent state and causing his own name to be respected by all the surrounding nations. A notable exploit at the beginning of his reign was the conquest of the Jebusite city of Jerusalem, which he made the capital of his kingdom, "the city of David", the political centre of the nation. He built a palace, took more wives and concubines, and begat other sons and daughters.
That's what prophets and righteous people do .
The difference is, God ordered some of His prophets/followers to do these acts to establish Israel as His nation. God did not order Muhammed to do the acts that he did. Especially in a time where the New Covenant was already established and an eye for an eye, tooth for a toooth/violent acts were no longer the direct commands of God. Also, some of the violents acts of the people of God in the OT were sinful in the eyes of the Lord, because the Lord did not command it. Muhammed's acts were sinful. So don't say, "that's what prophets and righteous people do."