Starjade is King of the Castle: Winning the Challenge:
Katatonic Bliss you say: Starjade, You really try my patience. I read your entire post, which was more a waste of webspace than anything else.
Starjade says: R wassamatter did you not like reading how riddled with errors the Koran is. So now you become hostile eh. Well others can read you know and they can see how unjust you are. I just posted that statement and so you did not read diligently. Be aware that I am a web page designer and I collect HTML codes as a hobby and I can certainly find a good place to display such text and will. (should it be removed)
Katatonic Bliss you claim:
I asked you to find ONE ERROR in the TEXT OF THE QUR'AN. That means any grammatical error, any mispelling, any illogical statement, a wrong math problem, a false prophecy, anything.
Starjade says: And I gave you more than you asked so what is your problem are you a Muslim unable to reply to someone who has shown many yes many errors in the Koran. I showed more than one error and please don’t give me any of that misspelling rubbish. It is illogical of Muhammad to claim on one breath that Jesus is the Prophet that Jesus is claiming himself to be (which is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up) then on his second breath Muhammad is claiming that he Muhammad is that very Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Now that is illogical. So you now are in error aren’t you. I wont be waiting for an apology from you as your hostile shock is clearly evident. What the frell has maths got to do with religion eh. I was speaking of Gods stuff and religious matters.
You want a false prophecy: Here is three:
(1) Muhammad claimed that he was that Prophet that God Promised Moses he would raise up. I can prove with evidence that he is wrong about that belief.
(2) Muhammad claimed that he is the last Prophet to come from God. Then says that Jesus is the Prophet that Jesus claimed himself to be and that Jesus will come after him;
(2a) Well not according to the Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 Jesus is not the Prophet that Jesus and his disciples and Muhammad claim Jesus to be in fact religious law says none of the Testimonies of Jesus are established as being true. So he sure as Hell wont be coming here appearing on this Planet as Muhammad has claimed.
(3) I can be proven to be a Prophet who does have a true connection to the Living God it can be proven by Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 and is irrefutable and in 1995 I ordered that Mass exodus of Jews. The descendants of Isaac broke their Covenant with the Living God and so I searched out others of Abraham’s descendants who are descended from Ishmael and who are today’s Arabs. Now you know why I have learned so much about the religion of Islam and be sure I know more than you do.
(3a) So again Muhammad is in error for a Prophet from God can be proven to exist today and long after Muhammad has died. Muhammad was in error. OH and Old Testament law backs all my statements up.
http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
Katatonic Bliss you say:
One error within the 114 Surahs of the Qur'an. You are elaborating on Gabriel which is not my point.
Starjade says: Might I suggest you calm yourself down I realise that my revelations can be a shock to the system and I do think that you have gotten yourself all freaked out for no reason. Chill out dude and stop ranting at me with an unsettled mind. I have pointed out errors in the Koran and I have mentioned Daniel as he is the one that Dreamt up Gabriel that Muhammad claims wrote out the Koran. But it is not all in the errors in the Koran is it. I did point out other matters (oops sorry errors).
Katatonic Bliss you say: You say that Muhammad either was crazy or made all this up. Now's your chance to prove it.
Starjade says: I had respect for Muhammad even in his delusions. But I have not said that he was mad. Muhammad himself has said that he was Mad do you not know about Muslim history. Let me explain this to you as it was explained to me by an Islamic expert. As I am sure you are aware. Muhammad was said to have been squeezed by the truth angel until Muhammad recited verses of the Koran. In fact the Koran was reputed to have been written by this Angel and imparted on then to Muhammad and this forms the basic belief of how the Koran became written. The Angel was of course as the Muslims describe the Angel Gabriel.
Muhammad was a Christian believer unaware of the claims of Jesus and religiously ignorant to Daniel the dreamer of dreams. Clearly as Muhammad claims the Angel Gabriel squeezed him until he recited verses of the Koran. Well that shows a Christian influence in his beliefs. His wife’s cousin told Muhammad that he was that prophet from God. Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza. Who was a Christian in pre Islamic period.
Verse. 86: According to Muslim historians. Muhammad was born in the deserts of Arabia on April 20th 571. When he was 40 he would often disappear from his family home to visit a small cave in the Mount An Nour. The Muslims history claims that the {Arch Angel Gabriel} appeared to Muhammad one day while he was in this cave and he began to squeeze Muhammad until he recited out verses from the Quran. This event caused Muhammad to tremble with such fear that he ran back to his wife. His wife tried to soothe him down but Muhammad was very upset. So they both went to Muhammad’s wife’s cousin. He was called Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza. Apparently Waraqa was a blind old man who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. When Muhammad told his wife’s cousin Waraqa what had happened in the cave his wife’s cousin said, that was Namus the Angel entrusted with the divine secrets that Allah had sent to Moses. Waraqa then warned Muhammad that anyone having such a vision, would be cast out by his people, but should Muhammad decide to reveal his vision to his people, then he Waraqa would strongly support him. Waraqa however apparently died a few days later. Afterwards Muhammad was heard to say, I have never abhorred anyone more than a poet or a madman, I cannot stand looking at either of them so I will never tell anyone of my revelation instead I will climb up a Mountain and throw myself off it and die. He then climbed halfway up the Mountain to kill himself when he suddenly he claimed that he heard a voice from the sky calling him. Muhammad said he looked upwards and he saw {Arch Angel Gabriel} in the form of a man putting his legs on the horizon. The sight of the {Arch Angel Gabriel} caused Muhammad to forget his suicide and when he returned home to his wife he told her what he had seen.
Verse. 87: Muhammad’s wife replied it is a propitious sign pull yourself together for I swear by Allah you are the messenger for this nation. She then stood up and then went to her cousin Waraqa and informed him. (Waraqa the Christian) said I swear by Allah that he has received the same Angel that was sent to Moses. Muhammad is the Prophet of this nation go tell him to be patient. So Muhammad’s wife returned home and told Muhammad what the Christian Waraqa had said. Muhammad realizing his own madness went several times up to the top of a Mountain with the intent to throw himself off. But each time he claimed that the {Arch Angel Gabriel} would appear before him now saying oh Muhammad you are indeed Allah’s messenger in truth. This would then calm Muhammad down and he would then return home to his wife to tell her about it. After that his strange visions became stronger and more frequent. Eventually Muhammad claimed that the {Arch Angel Gabriel} would appear to him in human form and would talk to him directly telling him what Allah wanted him to do. Then one day Muhammad claimed to have arose up to Heaven where the Muslims God Allah himself was said to give him his prayer. After that Muhammad went out into the Muslim world calling on people to follow his God Allah.
Starjade continues:
You see Muhammad himself said that he was overcome with madness this is a matter of Muslim history; I have not said that Muhammad was mad to you on this forum. So9 you are in error. But in cold reality Muhammad himself admitted that he was mad. Learn some Islamic history before you speak about Muhammad.
Now the whole of the Koran is based on the belief that the angel Gabriel appeared to Muhammad and gave him the statements that now written and are known as the book the Koran. The Muslims speak of the angel Gabriel just as the Christians because the Christians invented Gabriel as being an Angel. Yet it was Daniel the dreamer of dreams who first spoke of the (Man) Gabriel in his interpretations of his own dreams. Daniel admits that he saw this figure in a Dream and not in reality in any way. He was asleep and dreaming. The Old Testament does confirm this fact.
Katatonic Bliss you now say: This challenge is 1400 years old and applies to every believer and nonbeliever. Now, pick up a Qur'an, read it, then come back.
Starjade says:
No that was not the Challenge at all is it. Do you think we cannot read what you have written well let me repeat your words so we all know who is standing in truth. The challenge was:
Your Quote: Surah 4:82 Do they not consider the Qur'an with care? for if it had been from other than Allah, they surely would have found therein much disrepancy. The challenge is that of finding one, just one error in the Qur'an. Lets see you guys do it.
Starjade replies:
I answered that challenge with more than one error and you freaked out over those truths well I have found more than one error so don’t be so smug. The Arabs taught me an Arabic word the word if Kuffar. This Arabic word means those who hide the truth. Well then you are then a Kuffar for you are one who hides the truth.
I will not read the Quran because it is claimed that it is a book written by an angel that the Christians invented that originated from a man that Daniel dreamed up. The Quran does not speak with any authority from the Living God and I would consider it to be blasphemy to read any book making such claims that I know to be false. I learned all about the Quran from Islamic experts. And know of its contents for Muslims do like to quote from this book. As they follow a false prophet then they are already Guilty of Blasphemy and I do not share that Guilt because I refuse to read it. Other instead quote from it but in so doing they do not speak with Gods authority. But I Judge instead the Quran from the Muslims who read it. By their acts and deeds what better way than to see its effect. So far I have seen too much idolatry and blasphemous ways.
Now I have stood up to that Challenge and won; If you cannot deal with those replies then go get your Imams on line or your parents as you talk like an Old woman and a child to me.
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