ArchivedOneness, Trinity debate!Hi guys, Aineo and Alpha.
DMP, you are a father if you are married, a son and as a pastor a spiritual leader. Do you address your father with your name? Am I teaching polytheism when I see a human being with 3 distinct roles, yet being one person?
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You are dead on the money Aineo. I like this analogy. It shows more clearly what you believe to others unlike us.
I am a father, a son, and a pastor. These are distinct roles, manifestations or positions etc.
I'm one person with three seperate roles but none of the roles, or distinctions, are persons. They are rather positions or even titles. Only me, the human being, is a person. That's the way I see it too.
Further more, if I drop one of the distinctions or manifestations, or even add four more, it doesn't mean I'm not a person.
The distinctions or roles do not make the person. They do not add or subtract to make me who I am.
Same way with God.
God is not best explained (in my opinion) as being one person as the oneness pentecostals say nor three persons as some of the Trinitarians say. I do not say God is a person.
This my explanatioin.
God is spirit. John 4:24 KJV
The roles He has as father , son, spirit, and others such as lamb, lion etc. are roles, distinctions or manifestations of Him.
When we deal with God indwelling the Christ...we deal with the messiah, the annointed one...or the annointed flesh.
God in Christ was God in annointed flesh or...God in His body. I say, it was God in person. For the first time God comes in person (a human being).
II Corinthians 5:18-19 KJV :
(18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
(19) To wit, that God was in Christ (emphasis mine), reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The addition of roles, distinctions, or even the subtraction of the same, do not mean that He is not God.
On the contrary.
Because roles, distinctions, titles, designations or positions He chooses, do not make Him God.
He's God with or without them. He's God all by Himself.
And If it takes the parts or positions to make the one whole, then the parts are greater. Because the parts have been existing before the whole was ever arranged to be one. And if the whole is dependant upon the parts to make it one, then the absence of just one part keeps it from being that one. The thing made cannot be without all its parts.
(The Law of Conservation or something like that. Maybe Nick or Twohumble will tell us which law this entails.)
Nevertheless...however you explain it...God is one regardless. And it is a truth to me, that God has primarily manifested Himself to us as father, son and holy spirit...for the reason of saving us unto glory and for whatever other reasons He has chosen for His own pleasure.
Colossians 1:25-27 KJV says:
(25) Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
(26) Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
(27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (emphasis mine).
God indwelled Christ ... to put Christ in you... for you to be processed unto glory.
Adam never achieved glory. He was at best...made...a livng soul.
The last Adam (Jesus) did achieve glory. He was made...a quickening spirit.
And after the resurection He was glorified.
And God in the glorified Christ, has come back to earth in another form to indwell you...to bring to you...the hope of glory.
DMP
I hope I didn't mess this one up.
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