Christian/Muslim ThreadsMuhammed in the Aramaic BibleREDX wrote The Gospel of Barnabas rejects Jesus as the Messiah. Both Muslims and Christians accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah therefore the Gospel of Barnabas is a fake. "Jesus confessed and said the truth, 'I am not the Messiah.'" (Chapter 42) "I am sent to the house of Israel as a prophet of salvation, but after me shall come the Messiah, sent of God to all the world..." (Chapter 82) "It is true that God has promised, but indeed I am not he, for he is made before me and shall come after me." (Chapter 96) REDX I suggest you take your own advice and actually READ the Gospel of Barnabas. REDX Wrote It doesnt matter when it was written, it contradicts both the Bible and the Quran. Muslims always refer to this particular Gospel of Barnabas because it rejects the divinity and sacrifice of Christ, but they forget to relise it also rejects him as the Messiah. And Muslims accept Jesus as the Messiah, therefore the Gospel of Barnabas is of no use to both Christians and Muslims. Maybe now you are gonna tell me that Torah was a false revelation too. If not then I have already proven my point. Muhammed was mentioned in the torah. God has told Muhammed in the Quran that his people shouldn’t bother warning people like you because even after seeing the truth in the Torah you will refuse to believe. Unlike the Bible, the Quran wasn’t written completely by man. God himself on the top of a mountain wrote the first chapter. The rest was brought down by Angel Gabriel. Muhammad was an illiterate man and he couldn’t have written it. And it is still God’s words. Anyway I’ve already shown you the part in the Torah where it mentions Muhammad and according to God in the Quran you’ll know and believe but you still wont admit and why should I bother? I could write a book right now and say it was revealed to me. but no other prophet got visits from Archangel Gabriel 2400 times in his life other than Muhammed. And I have already shown you how the Ishmael descendant was mentioned in the torah and I have proven my point. This is the last time I’m writing because according to the Torah, those who don’t believe in the Ishmael descendant will de punished by God himself. REDX are you reffering to; "A prophet will the Lord, thy God raise unto thee, a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren." Deuteronomy 18:15 Ifso, God wasn't Speaking of Mohammed in the Torah (Deut 18:15). The prophecy of Deut 18 explains “from among the brethren”, which according to the Muslims, does not refer to the Israelites but to the Ishmaelites. One only has to look into the Scriptures to see how the term “brethren” is used. In Deut.17:15, Moses instructs the Israelite people saying, “You shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord God chooses, one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you, you may not set a foreigner over you who is not a brother.” Israel never appointed a foreigner to rule over them, especially an Ishmaelite. To choose from among the brethren meant one had to come from one of the twelve tribes of Israel. There are many more objections to your theory. REDX Wrote
Though he was supposed to be a prophet, Muhammad had no clue that he was going to die when he did. He therefore died without compiling his revelations (Quran)--don't be mistaken, Muhammad didn't actually write them down himself. When Muhammad would have his visions he would recite and others would either try to remember what he said or they wrote his words on rocks, palm leaves, animal bones, papyrus, wooden boards, etc. Some of the words got eaten by animals who munched on the palm leaves that they were written on. Some of the Suras were never written down people just tried to remember what Muhammad said while he was in his trance. Oh, real realiable. Yet a Muslim will tell you that the Bible is untrustworthy. REDX Wrote God is our spiritual Father. In Islam you have 99 names attributed to God not one is Father, why? God never had sex with Mary or anyone eles for that matter, this simple shows me your lack of understanding concerning Christianity. Jesus Died to save the World, he could have chosen not to die, but that was God's plan to save mankind. I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. He who is a hireling, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, beholds the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep, and flees, and the wolf snatches them, and scatters them. He flees because he is a hireling, and is not concerned about the sheep. I am the good shepherd; and I know My own, and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they shall hear My voice; and they shall become one flock with one shepherd. For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father. John 10:11-18 REDX Wrote I am also a Catholic, I dont think anything about Christianity is "screwed up". If the Hindu scriptures tells you not to follow Satan more times then the Quran, does that mean it is the correct religion? would you convert to Hinduism? "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16,17). The Bible is the plenary, verbally inspired, infallible, Word of God. What do these words mean? The word "inspired" means the Bible came from God, not man. The word "infallible" means the Bible cannot teach error. The word "plenary" means all parts of the Scriptures are inspired. The word "verbal" means the very words not just the thoughts were given by God to the writers. REDX Wrote I dont think anyone wrote the bible to be famous, thats just silly. Who wrote the Quran? I thought it was the companions of Muhammed that wrote down the Quran after Muhammed recived a revelation? REDX Wrote I also have read both, I think the bible makes more sence. The Quran doesn't support Jesus of the bible, Jesus of the bible is divine. The Jesus of the Quran is inferior to the Jesus of the bible. The prophecies that Jesus fulfilled are what proves Jesus was the Messiah. Unlike Muhammad, Jesus was propheciesed in the Torah. REDX Wrote REDX so far all I have honestly heard from you is ignorance, sorry but its true. You say that you converted from Christianity to Islam, its very obvious that you knew nothing about Christianity to begin with. You have converted to a religion that cannot assure you of salvation. Muhammad was not sure if he was going to heaven himself: Muhammed said, "By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me." Hadith vol. 5, no. 266 Peace |
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