Dear Kaisar
Thanks for your reply, brother
I glad that you refrain the blasphemous belief that the Bible has been changed, who can changed the Word of God on a global scale, are we saying that God is not able to protect His Word.
You write:
I believe in the Torah and the Injil as Sacred Books revealed by Allah to earlier people
I glad to meet a Muslim who actually stands by what the Koran actually is saying on this matter. However then you say (with a Koranic reference):
but Allah tells us:
"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar; knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?" (2:106)
First of all I dont see how the Koran abrogates the Bible, since the difference is waste that abrogation is will not fill the gap. If the Bible and the Koran arrive from the same source, then definetily there is something wrong somewhere. However, that somewhere cannot be the Bible since the Koran clearly testifies to the previous Scriptures as being un-changed neither corrupted in Muhammad's lifetime.
However, lets say they consisted with each other and no discredabilites of anykind are detected. Then still you would be able to read both as one book. In other words, according to the Koran the Muslim should be able to read both books at the present and find them consistent.
That is if there is abrogation or not, the Bible according to the Koran is still intact and free from errors.
Neither do I agree with you that Muslims are not to read the previous revelations, do look at these verses:
“If you Muhammad are in doubt regarding that which we have revealed to thee, ask those who read the book from before you ”. (Yunus 10:94)
“The apostles We sent before you were but men whom we inspired with revelations and with Scriptures. Ask the People of the Book if you know not”. (16:43)
You go one saying:
Allah mentioned certain things in the Injil, and then later He revealed the Quran which mentions those things in a greater detail, as well as other things not mentioned in the Injil.
"(It is) a Qur'an which We have divided (into parts from time to time) in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it by stages." (17:106)
I dont see how Sura 17:106 supports your statement that the Koran abrogates the Injeel.
Secondly, the Koran certainly does not reveal the Injil in greater details, actually according to the verses I mentioned above, it is the other way round.
You go on saying:
And,
"This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it and a fuller explanation of the Book wherein there is no doubt from the Lord of the Worlds." (10:37)
This verse actually states what you mentioned above, however, still it proves nothing, and certainly it does not prove any corruption of the Bible.
Kaisar continues
So today, we are not to follow the Injil or the Torah but the Quran.
Perhaps the Muslim is free from following the Bible, however, the Christian and the Jew is not:
“Say, O people of the book! You are not founded on anything until you perform the Torah and the Gospel, and what was revealed to you from your Lord”. (Al-Ma’ida 5:68-71)
Kaisar writes:
"The (Qur'an) is indeed the Message for thee and for thy people; and soon shall ye (all) be brought to account. " (43:44)
Ok, the Koran is for the Muslim, the Bible is for the Jew and the Christian, still no change or corruption of Scripture detected.
Kaisar writes:
The Quran says:
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say: "This is from Allah" to traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write and for the gain they make thereby." (2:79)
Well I suggest you look at the context because there is nothing to suggest that the Christian or the Jew corrupted the Scripture on a world-wide basis. The group mentioned in Sura 2:79 knows not the Scripture.
75 Do you then hope that they will believe in you, when some of them have already heard the Word of Allah and knowingly tampered with it, after they understood it!
76 When they meet those who believe, they say: 'We are believers.' But when alone, they say to their other (chiefs). 'Do you tell to them what Allah has revealed to you so that they will dispute with you concerning it with your Lord? Have you no sense?'
77 Do they not know that Allah has knowledge of all they hide and all that they reveal!
78 And some of them are common (people) and do not know the Book, but only wishful thoughts, and they are only doubters.
79 Woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say: 'This is from Allah,' in order to gain a small price for it. So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for their earnings.
As a matter of fact the context may even be refering to the corruption of the Koran, not the Bible; that is of course if you look at the full context.
Take care
Kai