Where is this prophecy?
Hadiths
Shites do not believe your hadiths because they believe a majority of them are forged, many of the isnads cannot be traced. The Shites are much more rigorous in hadith authentication than you would have us believe.
Many hadiths ARE forged, by the Kharijites. That's why a strict system of authentication through a chain of transmitters and biographies of the transmitters is in place.
And actually the Shiites' method of authentication is pretty weak. The hadiths traced back through the Prophet's family are hadiths Sunnis use as well. However there are other "hadiths" which they only trace back to one of the twelve imams which then somehow goes straight back to the Prophet (even though they weren't contemporaries).
"It is reported from Ismail ibn Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi from Ibn
Umar who said: 'Let none of you say, 'I have acquired the whoe of the
Qur'an'. How does he know what all of it is when much of it has
disappeared? Rather let him say, 'I have acquired what has survived.'
"
Abu Musa, one of the Companions of Muhammad, said:
"We used to recite a sura which resembled in length and severity to
Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this
which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of
riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and
nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." " (Sahih
Muslim, vol 2, p.501)"
Ok this time I'll p.m. you as soon as I get a response, not a problem.
Book 41, Number 41.1.8:
Malik related to me from Ibn Shihab from Ubaydullah ibn Abdullah ibn Utba ibn Masud that Abdullah ibn Abbas said, "I heard Umar ibn al-Khattab say, 'Stoning is in the Book of Allah for those who commit adultery, men or women when they are muhsan and when there is clear proof of pregnancy or a confession.' "
This is true.
Book 41, Number 41.1.7:
Malik related to me from Suhayl ibn Abi Salih from his father from Abu Hurayra that Sad ibn Ubada said to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, "What do you think I should do if I were to find a man with my wife? Should I leave him there until I had brought four witnesses?" The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Yes."
Are you going to say this is a false hadith and Abu Haraira has made another fabrication? or are you going to admit this hadith is genuine as it is also in Bukhari, Muslim, and Abu Dawod. If that is the case how do you justify such a stupid comment from your prophet?
This is also correct, a husband's testimony against his wife is insufficient. You need 4 witnesses as you suggested. It's not that the husband should be cool about that, he can obviously divorce his wife, but the ruling of stoning cannot be enacted simply with the husband's testimony.
Book 008, Number 3421:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims).
Or maybe this must be a false hadith as there is only one isnad, even though your whole hadiths are profilerated with this suckling/lawful/unlawful for marriage nonsense. It doesn't really matter how many people memorised the alledgedly divine message if the roots are bad the fruits will be bad, it would explain why converts would be arguing over the stupid legalism of wether one or two sucklings makes a marriage unlawful.
What exactly is your question here?
For someone who was unable to show me one clear prophecy in your koran and had to settle that you believe it is from God because of the way it was written ( why is the alternative scenario that this is the way demonic/jinn possessed poets like Hassan Bin Thabbit write is so far fetched to you?) , you have a cheek to attack the prophecies of the bible when it predicts the persian, greek, roman, and collapse of the roman empires years before the events.
Go back to that abandoned thread and dig up the Prophecies I gave you. You're pretty quick to forget them.
Here are some more:
http://www.muslim-answers.org/proofs09.htm
http://johnw.host.sk/articles/quran/are ... ade_in.htm
http://www.islamicweb.com/quran/prophecies.htm
That is not the norm and you know it, having lived in a muslim controlled country for several years having more than one wife is the norm, even now there is a Saudi man marrying his 60th wife.
haha, I've lived in "Muslim controlled" countries too. It's not the norm though it's prevalent in poorer areas.
It's very convenient how quickly you attack the hand that feeds you whenever someone confronts you with a face of islam you do not like you suddenly claim it is not representative of islam, the government is not islamic and is corrupt nothing whatsoever to do with islam, it is a heretical sect of islam, the problem with this attitude is you and the other westernised sunni muslims only make up 5% of the world population of islam, not to mention that of that 5% many are made up of heretical sects like the Ahmadiyya movement, the Nation of Islam e.t.c. It's very strange you suddenly turn on the 95% and claim they are not representative of islam, so you the 5% have the monopoly on the truth and interpretation of islam?
No you misunderstood. I wasn't saying that the Sunnis and people themselves are corrupt, I was saying that the governments who rule them do not RULE BY Islamic governance. There aren't as many Orthodox interpretations as you think, the problem is getting people to apply the laws as they know they should be applied.
Believer**********
Ok thanks I'll take a look. Though most of these are Messianic prophecies I don't disagree with.
Sorry to break it to you, but polygamy is still wrong.
I disagree, and many of our OT Prophets were polygamous.
A Muslim on this forum openly admitted that Muhammed and Abraham were both pagans.
You can find many Muslims saying several misguided things. That alone isn't evidence. You have to bring Scriptural evidence, not a "Muslim's opinion" since that's not gold or anything if it's not backed by proof.
See, alot of your prayers are similar to the Magian's prayers.
Haha yes that's true! It's so crazy how supplicating God for His Mercy and forgiveness and blessings and seeking his refuge from Satan is a pretty universal concept.
We pay 8% of a dollar for sales tax, and yet you don't say that is evil.
Something is wrong here.
I see no sins in a bank making some degree of money.
There is no crime in that, as long as it is not exuberant interest.
Actually I have a WHOLE other rant about unjust income taxes, I don't know if you want to hear it though.
Also, ALL interest is unjust. You should charge your brother NO interest. Does your bible say "well a little interest is ok"?
See the taxes on gasoline today, now there's a real evil. Fat cats getting rich of cheap gas, making us poor citizens pay exuberantly.
That is taking serious advantage of people, that I would label as usury.
Certainly capitalism also has its evils as we see with the gasoline prices, but this injustice has a different definition from usury.
Peace bros
P.S. I will be leaving to my hometown in the end of the week (yeah yeah an oppressive, poor 3rd world country) so please excuse a delay in my posting since the internet there is slow and restricted. I'll do my best though. P.M me or email me if there's something pressing