Alpha wrote:
I was being sarcastic.
My reply:
It is truly saddening to hear of one being sarcastic in the matter of faith. One should treat all-religion with RESPECT. That is how world peace is achieve...duhz!
Alpha wrote:
Bible is older than the Quran and it has proven to be true from its prophesies(Jesus' resurrection, the fallen stars mentioned in revolation happened in 1833, the battle between Isreal and the Arabs, etc.)
My reply:
Yes Bible is older than the Quran, (once again, Duhz!). Ok so the Bible is true by its prophesies. But did you ever consider Quran prophesies. I give you two examples so as to make it clear and understood to you.
Quran Verse :
Did you [O Mohammad] not see how your Lord dealt with [the tribe of] Aad ? [the city of] Iram with lofty pillars. The like of which was not created in the lands. [Quran, 89:6-8; Al-Fajr The Dawn¡]
OK, this is one of many prophesies. Up until 1975, this city was thought by many non-Muslims to be a mere myth since no mention of it was ever made in any known writings.
In 1975 another city by the name of Ibla was unearthed in Syria. In some of the tablets found in the city of Ibla, the name of the city of Iram was mentioned for the first time as a place that used to trade with the city of Ibla. Subsequently, using space photography from the space shuttle, the city of Iram was found in the vicinity of Aden. Then behold! The appearance of this city was exactly as it was described in the Quran, which was with towering pillars.
OK here is another prophesies.
Quran Verse:
And indeed We created man [Adam] out of an extract of clay. Thereafter We made him as a Nutfah [mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge] [and lodged it] in a safe lodging [woman¡¯s womb]. Then We made the Nutfah into a leech [or leech-like structure] then We made the leech into a chewed lump, then We made out of the chewed lump bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. [Quran, 23:12-14; Al-Mu¡'minun, The Believers¡]
Dr. Keith L. Moore (Ph.D., F.I.A.C. The Department of Anatomy, University of Toronto, Canada) commented on these verses: The zygote forms by the union of a mixture of the sperm and the ovum (The mixed drop). The word alaqah¡ refers to a leech or bloodsucker. This is an appropriate description of the human embryo from days 7-24 when it clings to the endometrium of the uterus, in the same way that a leech clings to the skin. Just as the leech derives blood from the host, the human embryo derives blood from the decidua or pregnant endometrium. It is remarkable how much the embryo of 23-24 days resembles a leech. As there were no microscopes or lenses available in the 7th century, doctors would not have known that the human embryo had this leech-like appearance. In the early part of the fourth week, the embryo is just visible to the unaided eye because it is smaller than a kernel of wheat.
The Arabic word mudghah means chewed substance or chewed lump.Toward the end of the fourth week, the human embryo looks somewhat like a chewed lump of flesh. The chewed appearance results from the somites which resemble teeth marks. The somites represent the beginnings or primordia of the vertebrae... Out of the chewed lump stage, bones and muscles form. This is in accordance with embryological development. First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.
Hmmm lemme see, how could possibly Muhammad, had known about the stages of embryology, when the microscope hasn't even been invented yet! Hmm, now dun go thinking that Muhammad is Superman now...
That is some of the Prophesies from the Quran, proven true with modern scientific evidence. What have you got to say about that?
Alpha wrote:
The Quran does have some good teachings, but it is not even close to the bible's teachings.
My reply:
Hmm, what do you mean that the Quran does have some good teaching but it is not even close to the bible's teachings. Omg, can't believe ur degrading ur own religion.... if Quran have some good teachings, and the bible ( which is regarded as preaching all-good teachings) not even close, then does it means that some of Bible's teaching is umm....ehem, not good? IN other words, bad teachings..in a bible?
Alpha wrote:
The bible said there will be false prophets that will take us away from Jesus and lead us in the wrong direction......*cough*....Muhammed......*cough*.
My reply:
Wth? Yes i know there's a verse in the bible saying there would be false prophets, but umm, i did not recall seeing the name Muhammad. This shows ur ASSUMING that Muhammad is the false prophets. Well, prove me wrong by taking a verse from the bible saying um...Muhammad is the false prophet or sumthing like that or whatever.
Alpha wrote:
Let me drop some facts on your boy Muhammed. He was an ILLITERATE person that married a woman that was twice his age.
My reply:
Wow i'm surprised you know some facts about Muhammad. *Applauds* WEll ok, he is illiterate. What does that tell ya? Lemme see, the Quran, written in Arabic, was sent to Muhammad by Gabriel with the permission of God.
Now Muhammad is illiterate, which means he can't read. This goes to show that even if the Quran was given to Muhammad, it is of no use, as Muhammad can't read! It impossible to say Muhammad wrote the Quran, as he is Illiterate, as also declared by yourself.
Muhammad is a mortal, a human. He is illiterate which goes to show he can't read and write, what more to preach to his followers. But despite his inability to read and write, he managed to pass God message throughout the world with the Will of God. This goes to show how magnificent an illiterate person to make a big impact on the earth.
One more thing, if you think that the Quran was a book from Satan, how could you be sure of it? Why would Satan want to prophesies many happenings that proved to be true? Why would Satan preach good things to the world? I haven found my answer to that.
Oh yah, "married a woman that was twice his age"......ummm yah..so?
Alpha wrote:
Then he started having dreams, claiming "GOD" was speaking to him.(It could have been Saitan for all I know). That's how u get the Quran.
How did you know Muhammad started having dreams?? For sure its not the bible that told ya. And for sure its not the Quran. Muhammad met Gabriel who thus reveal the sacred message from God to him. Yes he had dreams (he's human afterall), just like you do and i do.
Hmm one thing amazed me, Quran, the book full of true facts and prophesies that were predicted true, all came in a dream? If you ask me, that's some kind of long dreams Muhammad was having.
Alpha wrote:
Any book that mentions Jesus as "just another prophet" or denies his resurrection(which is very important), I cannot believe.
My reply:
Now who told you that we muslims dun believe in Jesus resurrection. The following verse from the Quran proves that Muslims DO belive in Jesus resurrection.
"And because of their saying, ‘We killed Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God'- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. The have no knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely they killed him not (Jesus, son of Mary). But God raised him (Jesus) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And God is ever All-Powerful, All-Wise" (Quran 4:157-158).
See, we muslims belive in Jesus resurrections. But we belive he was resurrected before he was supposedly crucified. Christians though, think otherwise.
"So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN, and sat down at the right hand of God."
Mark 16:19
"While he blessed them, he parted from them, and was CARRIED UP INTO HEAVEN."
Luke 24:51
Quite similar eh?
Alpha wrote:
If u think God cannot be man, then you are putting limits on God by saying he is only "Allah." After all, God can do anything right? Why can't he be human? because Muhammed said so?
My reply:
There were no evidence saying God cannot be man, in accordance to the Hadith (Muhammad's book of records) and also Muslims sources. Please do not ASSUME that we said as such. Yes, God can take place in any forms, thus have no limits.
One thing amazed me is that, if God has no limits, and that God is All-Powerful,
why did "He" bleed like a normal being in the cross when he was crucified?
He was nailed to a cross. But why die "He" stay there when he could just remove the nails pinning him and just destroy all the torturers?
Just because he wants to pay for humanity sins?
If he is God, then why not he forgive the sins by his Will, instead of taking the painful alternative of being tortured and then killed, nailed on a cross?
Alpha wrote:
The bible is based on many prophets, then u have the Quran based on the facts of one prophet.
My reply:
You got your facts wrong here. Jesus was mentioned 97 times in the Quran while Muhammad was mention only 25 times. We have not include the chapters of Adam, Moses and all the other Prophets.
To correct you confusion, there are two books. One is called the "Quran" which is the source of guidance for all muslims to follow.
Another book is called the "Hadith" which is the records of deeds, sayings, doings etc. of Muhammad.
Perhaps you have been reading the "Hadith" instead of the "Quran" which i'm not surprised why you said it is based on the facts of one prophet, as the "Hadith" really is based on the facts of one prophet which is Muhammad, not the Quran!
Alpha wrote:
It's so obvious that the Quran is a fake.
My reply:
Typical thinking of someone who neglects some facts of the Quran and then making assumptions which lead to one making a baseless judgment that the Quran is fake.
Alpha wrote:
If I meet you in heaven, don't make me have to say, "I told you so."
My reply:
Yea if i meet you in heaven, i guess i would reply "Sent my regards to Satan" as i see ur butt hurled into hell...but who knows, i ain't God.