Christian/Muslim ThreadsDoes the Quran have contradictions ?Greetings H2O, Let’s look for ourselves… اسْتَوَى = “istawa” “istawa” definition: To establish, become firm or settled, turn to a thing, to direct one’s direction to a thing, mount. It comes from the root “sawiya”, which means to be worth, equivalent to. اسْتَوَى “istawa” combined with إِلَى “ila”, means he turned himself towards, attained perfection, stood firm, attained perfection and fullest vigor. Reference: The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an Abdul Mannan Omar p. 280 Thus, as you can verify for yourself, your “online” MODERN Arabic resource is completely defunct in relaying the intended message of the CLASSIC Arabic in which the Koran was written. It is obvious throughout our discussions that you don’t have any classic Arabic reference materials handy…..perhaps, sometime in the future, (whenever you get serious) your graduate degree can earn you enough extra $ so that you are able to spring for some classic Arabic Lexicons that would get you out of your obvious rut, and into the truth… And…? Please elaborate…..as this was the question that I posed to you….remember…? Well….I appreciate the colorful webpaste that filled in the gaps of your post, but, it hardly buttresses your position…in fact, you go to great lengths to avoid my original question (no surprise here, as this is a prerequisite to being a Muslim). However, it is painfully clear that you have already followed the Koranic creation sequence as it incorrectly orders the Creation sequence as we can validate against modern Astrophysics. Please tell me how you can have the Earth being formed before (in your very own words) “erecting the sky when it was gas/smoked/fumes…”? If you understood anything regarding Astrophysics, then you would have known that planets (such as Earth) form via accretion, and require that the Sun be formed first. Thus, the sky cannot be “erected” after the earth is formed. Earth was formed long after the sun and the skies were formed. Let’s take a look at this ayah in full context, and see how the Koran gaffs this Creation sequence…. Regarding the Koranic sequence account contained in Sura 41; we know that a sequence or succession is clearly mandated through the usage of the Arabic conjunctions “thumma” and “fa”. Thus, we have the following: 41:9 Say: "Do you disbelieve with who created the earth/Planet Earth in TWO DAYS, and you make/put for Him equals (idols), that (is) the creations all together's/(universes') Lord. 41:9 Qul a-innakum latakfuroona biallathee khalaqa al-arda fee yawmayni watajAAaloona lahu andadan thalika rabbu alAAalameena Comments: 1) “Do you disbelieve with who created the earth/Planet Earth in TWO DAYS…” 2) AND, “you make/put for Him equals (idols), that (is) the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.” 41:9 Summary: 1) Earth was created in TWO days. 41:10 And He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it, and He blessed in it, and He predestined/evaluated in it its provision in FOUR DAYS, straight/equal to the askers/questioners . 41:10 WajaAAala feeha rawasiya min FAwqiha wabaraka feeha waqaddara feeha aqwataha fee arbaAAati ayyamin sawaan lilssa-ileena Comments: Point of reference of allah is the earth’s surface. 1) AND, “He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it….” 2) AND, “He blessed in it….” 3) AND, “He predestined/evaluated in it its provision in FOUR DAYS, straight/equal to the askers/questioners.” 41:10 Summary: 1) The Mountains were created as viewed from the Earth’s surface. 2) He made a food provision in FOUR DAYS. 3) 41:9 (2 Days)…..plus……41:10 (4 Days)……equals 6 Days. 41:11 THEN He aimed/tended to the sky/space and it is smoke/fumes, SO He said to it and to the earth/Planet Earth: "You come voluntarily or forcefully/involuntarily ." They said: "We came obedient." 41:11 THUMMA istawa ila alssama-i wahiya dukhanun FAqala laha walil-ardi i/tiya tawAAan aw karhan qalata atayna ta-iAAeena Comments: Point of reference of allah is still the earth’s surface. 1) THEN, he aimed/tended to the sky-space when it is smoke/fumes. 2) THEN, he says to the sky/space AND to the Earth “"You come voluntarily or forcefully/involuntarily.” 3) The sky/space say, “We came obedient." 41:11 Summary: 1) From the vantage point of the Earth’s surface, allah turns to the sky and it is smoke. 2) Then he calls to the heavens and earth to come. 3) 41:9 (2 Days)…..plus……41:10 (4 Days)……equals 6 Days. 41:12 SO He ordered/accomplished them (as) seven skies/space(s) in TWO DAYS, and He inspired/transmitted in every/each sky/space its matter/affair/order/command, and We decorated/beautified the present world's sky/space with lights/stars and a protection/ observation, that (is) the glorious'/might’s, the knowledgeable's predestination/ evaluation . 41:12 FAqadahunna sabAAa samawatin fee yawmayni waawha fee kulli sama-in amraha wazayyanna alssamaa alddunya bimasabeeha wahifthan thalika taqdeeru alAAazeezi alAAaleemi Comments: Point of reference of allah is STILL the earth’s surface. 1) THEN, he accomplished them (the sky/space AND the earth) as seven skies/spaces in TWO days. 2) AND, “He inspired/transmitted in every/each sky/space its matter/affair/order/command….” 3) AND, “We decorated/beautified the present world's sky/space with lights/stars….” 4) AND, “a protection/ observation, that (is) the glorious'/might’s, the knowledgeable's predestination/ evaluation.” 41:12 Summary: 1) allah creates seven heavens in TWO DAYS. 2) He places the stars in the LOWEST of the seven heavens. 3) He makes the stars for protection. 4) 41:9 (2 Days)…..plus……41:10 (4 Days)……41:12 (2 Days)…equals 8 Days! Integrated Summary: 1) “Do you disbelieve with who created the earth/Planet Earth in TWO days…” 2) AND, “you make/put for Him equals (idols), that (is) the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.” 3) AND, “He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it….” 4) AND, “He blessed in it….” 5) AND, “He predestined/evaluated in it its provision in FOUR days, straight/equal to the askers/questioners.” 6) THEN, he aimed/tended to the sky-space when it was smoke/fumes. 7) THEN, he says to the sky/space AND to the Earth “"You come voluntarily or forcefully/involuntarily.” 8 ) The sky/space say, “We came obedient." 9) THEN, he accomplished them (the sky/space AND the earth) as seven skies/spaces in TWO days. 10) AND, “He inspired/transmitted in every/each sky/space its matter/affair/order/command….” 11) AND, “We decorated/beautified the present world's sky/space with lights/stars….” 12) AND, “a protection/ observation, that (is) the glorious'/might’s, the knowledgeable's predestination/ evaluation.” Conclusions: 1) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 DIRECTLY contradicts the (7X) 6-day verses that reside within the Koran. The Koran is in Great error here. How many days in creation? 6,7,8?! Strike #1. 2) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 places the creation of the Seven heavens/skies/spaces, AFTER the completion of the Earth. This is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE as planetary accretion is ONLY possible AFTER star formation has occurred. Thus, the Koran is in Great error here, as well. Strike #2. 3) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 has the earth COMPLETED AND FURNISHED with food provision BEFORE the Sun is created! Sorry, but major gaff here. The sun is required not only for heat and photosynthesis, but also for metabolism. NO Sun…NO life! Strike #3. 4) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 INCORRECTLY mentions Seven heavens. Sorry, but there are NOT Seven heavens in the Universe. Would YOU like to know where the Koran pilfers this from? Thus, the Koran is in Great error here, as well. Strike #4. 5) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 INCORRECTLY places the stars in the lowest of the Seven heavens. Sorry, but this is yet another Koranic blunder. The Stars are NOT limited to some fictitious Lower Seventh heaven. Strike #5. 6) The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 INCORRECTLY states that the Stars are placed in heaven for protection. This is yet another unscientific fabrication. The Koran twisted the meaning of this phrase right from the Book of Revelation. Strike # 6. Thus , you can see for yourself how the Koran cannot be the WORD of the true Creator God of the Holy Bible. Not only does the Koran contain ZERO details on the First day, but then it proceeds to major league GAFF the entire Creation sequence when it attempts to list the entire sequence. The Koran cannot even COPY the Holy Bible without messing up! I’m sure that YOU will come to appreciate the Koran for what it is…just as I have. Thanks… |
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