Liberate wrote:
Remember our friend Abd Allah ibn Salam the jew who asked Mohammed three things to confirm that he was a prophet? This is what he had to say according to Ishaq and Tabari:
H2O Responded:
Lets resurrect this question from before. Did the Arabic speaking Jews use the name Allah ? You have acknowledged that Abd Allah ibn Salam was a Jew. Obviously the evidence that Jews used the name Allah even in their names show that they did not recognize Allah as Hubal which was an Idol.
He stumbled upon these sayings but was soo blind he didnt recognize the Arabic speaking Jews' absolute use of the name Allah even in their own names.
If you are going to quote me please quote me in the proper context :
When was the last time you as a pagan did something and were happy to declare "I have committed that which is shameful" This type of logical fallicies pertrudes throughout the hadths of Bukhari Muslim, Abu Dawod and Malik, ridiculous commentaries to esteem islam amongst the 'barbaric' polytheists/jews. Remember our friend Abd Allah ibn Salam the jew who asked Mohammed three things to confirm that he was a prophet? This is what he had to say according to Ishaq and Tabari:
“‘If they learn I’ve become a Muslim, they’ll utter slanderous lies against me.’ So the prophet gave me a house, and when the Jews came, I emerged and said, ‘O Jews, fear Allah and accept what He has sent you. For you know that he is the Apostle of Allah. You will find him described in your Torah and even named.’ They accused me of lying and reviled me. I told Muhammad, ‘The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.’”
I find it improbable anyone but a diehard islamic fundamentalist can believe a word of this hadith, number one apostle was strictly a christian idea, the jews didn't evangelise, if Abd Allah ibn Salam really was a jew and really did exist surely he could have cited one passage where Mohammed is named in the Torah, no jewish scholar for the last 1400+ yrs has found Mohammed mentioned in the Torah. Look at how vile and quick to ridicule and demonise his own people this Abd Allah ibn Salam is all the while asking for a house.
There is numerous documentation that they tested Muhammad's prophethood to see if he was truely indeed a Messenger of Allah ~ Rasoolullah If they(The Jews) didnt worship the same G-D as Muhammad did then what would be the sense of testing Muhammad (s.a.w) to see if he was truely a Prophet of Allah?
By documentation you mean where Abd allah askes Mohammed three things that only a prophet knows, then how does he know? Is he a prophet too? doesn't that contradict islam, Isn't Mohammed the last prophet?.
If they worshipped the same God why would God one minute rescue them from Egypt grant them the land of Israel and with Mohammed suddenly delcare them accursed and would have trees saying
"oh servant of allah there is a jew behind me come and kill him"
Why are you bringing up these blatant logical fallacies. Just in case anybody is wondering what Abd allah asked Mohammed to confirm his prophethood, these are his questions:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 546:
What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle"
This is Mohammed's response:
"The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be Extra-lobe (caudate lobe) of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her."
By telling us that there is documentation that the jews tested Mohammed he is indirectly saying he believes this hadith, he is then indirectly saying he believes fish-liver will be eaten in paradise, and the reason why a child resembles the father is because of emission from him first or the mother because of emission from her first, this is nothing more than would be expected from a superstitious mind albeit with a vivid imagination, not from God. But will he now claim this hadith is a fabrication?