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Vice Versa with the Bible and all other Jewish and Christian sources.
Uh? what in the world type of response is this? I say the Qu'ran does not contain everything in the Bible, and you say "vice versa"? LOL! Well, of course, the Bible does not contain the Qu'ran, otherwise we wouldn't be arguing that the Qu'ran is deceitful (modified) forgery, would we?
LOL!
**SHRUGS**
Vice Versa ie The Quran contains things not found also in any religious source.
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Not a replica by forgery but a replica of what was revealed before and then was re-revealed again by Allah plus more.
You just rejected your previous statement, that the Qu'ran does not contain everything in the Bible. Why do Muslims go running to the Bible to find Scriptures that speak of Mohammed, when these Scriptures are not found in the Qu'ran?
Yet, here you say that it is a replica of what was revealed before, and even more!
Make up your mind!
:roll: I thought you read the Quran ? Or did you just skim through the pages ?
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Nuh - that which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Ibrahim, Musa, and 'Isa: namely, that ye should remain steadfast in Religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). (42:13)
This is what I meant, but i said what I said cause I thought you were aware of the Quranic teachings. Obviously not...seems it went pass your eyes through your brain and out your ears :roll: "Plus more" ~ There are things in Quran not mentioned in the bible as to Historical events. Also you forgot what we believe as regards to the Bible. We do not believe your modern bible is the word for word of G-D revealed to the former prophets thats why it was contradictory to you.
Why do Muslims go running to the Bible to find Scriptures that speak of Mohammed, when these Scriptures are not found in the Qu'ran?
Wow ! I say you are a lier you never read the Quran as you say you did.
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) - in the Law and the Gospel - for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); he releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him, it is they who will prosper." (7:157)
Is this your first time seeing this ? Wow its the seventh Surah meaning you didnt get that far in reading the Quran if you know about this verse that contradicted what you just said.
Commentaries, not Holy Spirit inspired prophetic words. What they said was merely a thought, and there were various schools of thought that contradicted eachother. They were 'food for thought'. The Qu'ran clearly says, "an to the Jews we gave..." This is clearly implying prophetic message, as given by the Holy Spirit.
Well actually without a Quotation I am going to be lost in your Quotes of the translations of the Quran if your not mentioning the Arabic. But you quoted wrong:
It was We who revealed the Law (to Musa): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the Prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's Will, by the Rabbis and the Doctors of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My Signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.(5:44 )
Notice the Quran never refers to Moses as a Jew cause he wasnt a Jew or yehudi or yahood. This term did not come until after the prevailence of the Tribe of Juda.
A Jew is a person whose religion is Jew-dah-ism (Judaism). The word Jew is not found in the original texts of the Scriptures, but in many English Bibles the word is an incorrect rendering of the latin word Judaeus, the Greek word Ioudaios, and the Hebrew word Yehudi. Although not found in either the Hebrew or the Greek Scriptures, the word Jew is an English rendering most often incorrectly translated from Yahudah, that is, referring to one belonging to one of the tribes of Israel (Yisrael) called Yahudah (Judah), a Yahudite. The word Jews, the plural of the word Jew, is incorrectly translated most often from the word Yahudim (descendants of the tribe of Yahudah). The letter 'J' was not in general use until after the 17th century as used in many Bibles for the word 'Jew' to substitute for the correct word Yahudite, or Yahudim. In some English Bibles we have received the word Juda, also an error in translation because the word derives from the Greek Iudaios, which in the English would be Judaios. Judaios was none other then a Greek diety (see W.H. Roscher's lexicon of mythology).
http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/the_word_jew.html
I think you were quoting off the top of you head. I dont think you got that good when you didnt even finish read the Book. Try going back and reading it to refresh your self like I do with the bible every year. Theres another version coming out soon I heard. Geesh thats alot of reading
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So anyhow the Quran says nothing about what you insinuated unless you come up with verse to back you up, and show me what I missed
No, the Jews never claimed that they stemmed from other missing books. They would have considered these books to be "Biblical", as opposed to commentaries on the Biblical Scriptures.
Come Again!? There was no such use of the word with them.
Nice, you accuse me of being prejudiced, simply because I am being objective. Who would have thunk it...
Objective in the indoctrinated fashion
Yet, here you are trying to say that, because some heretical groups made up some writings -- which came about much after the earliest sources of the Gospel-- then your Qu'ran must be true.
I was contesting your previous statement :
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What if anything of all that you said, is actually verifiable? What correction did the Qu'ran make, that we can go back, and see in the original Scripture, and say, 'hey, yea, we have found a manuscript that said exactly this, and is the oldest in circulation..." or something like that?[/quote]
I have no idea what you are responding to, or what you are talking about. The God of Israel has always sent Israelite prophets to the Israelites. They were and are his chosen people. And these prophets always were accompanied by SIGNS from God, miracles, and prophecy. They also had other prophets with them, other people who would testify of eachother. But Mohammed was without signs, and without any other prophet to testify of him. When asked for signs, he provided none.
He sent prophets to all nations of people not just the Jews and the Prophets before them. All those signs they still rejected most of the prophets. Each prophet came with a different sign or miracle pertaining to the method of phenomina they were acquinted with in their time and civilization.
[29.50] And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say: The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner.
[21:5,6] "Nay," they say, "(These are) medleys of dreams! Nay, he forged it! Nay, he is (but) a poet! Let him then bring us a Sign like the ones that were sent to (Prophets) of old!" (As to those) before them, not one of the populations which We destroyed believed: will these believe?
Muhammad's sign was the Quran and the scientific indications
http://www.it-is-truth.org/Index.shtml in the book and prophecies that have been and are being fulfilled
http://islamist.faithweb.com/quran/mira ... ecies.html ,
http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=471 ,
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/re ... ion_1.html ,
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/