Christian/Muslim ThreadsHow do Muslims view the war in Iraq?Believer, I will respond to your post some other time. In Britain, there are 2 Muslim parties. So it is not something we have not attempted. It’s been done. The American Muslims perhaps do not care for a party. Who knows? But my point is since there is a choice in America to whether a person wants to vote or not, I don’t see why a Muslim would care to vote. It’s not like we agree to the laws that the country is established on. But this is a personal view. BTW, what the population wants doesn’t make government policy. Approximately 62% of Australians were against going into Iraq without UN approval but John Howard went ahead anyways. http://www.abc.net.au/news/australia/20 ... 3747_1.htm So you don’t believe in the media and the government passing on sound information instead of being biased. Do you not think this is the responsibility of those who own media franchises and the government to report honestly? . Unfortunately that is the truth. But then again my Prophet already prophesied our dilemma. Nothing new here. Exactly my point! Well it comes with the territory! Yes and it is in your belief who is the correct side that gets you into hot water. What right did the American administration have to aid Iraq into invading Iran? And yes, your far too interventionist. From 1945, the US has had more than 70 interventions. Read up, and see if these interventions were for humanitarian reasons: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/ ... BlumZ.html If that were to occur, America would certainly be the power behind it. :roll: What do I want? I want America to stay out of the affairs of the Muslims. Just a little curious. On Rwanda, why didn’t America go in? Maybe there was nothing in it for Uncle Tom? I have read that since there traumatic experience in Somalia (19 dead, so what?) they didn’t want to enter into another African conflict. We have been successful in implementing them in the past and we will in the future. It can be done. And we do not need a perfect world to do it. Islam isn’t based on the Quran alone. In the Quran, whenever a judgment needs to be made, we are told to go back to Allah (the Quran) and the Messenger (Hadiths). In your Bible, and correct me if I’m wrong, you have the words of God, the words of the messenger and the words of historians. In Islam, we separate them. We do not mix what the prophet said to what God says and to what historians say. I have been told in the past by some Christians on these forums not to mock their religion. And I try to keep to that. Now I ask the same of you. Please do not mock my religion. It doesn’t help our discussion. I’m overwhelmed by your ability to know what I’m “really saying”. There were many good caliphs. But that’s another topic (only because there are already way too many points being discussed). There are many ways of deciding who the Caliph will be: There is the way of Abu Bakar in which the people chose him to be their leader. There is also when one Caliph hands the reins to his successor. The example is when Abu Bakar handed the Empire to Omar. The people again say whether they approve of the new Caliph. The third is when a number of candidates stand to lead the Empire and it is left to the people to choose who they want as their leader. So, we had this system of the people electing their leader before democracy even came to practice. Inheriting the Caliph is not part of Islam. We disassociate ourselves from it. The system that follows the ways of the Prophet and the generations that preceded him. Shura is Shura. It is not democracy at all. Shura is when the most knowledgeable and pious members of the community come together to rule on bylaws. This is all it is. But democracy on the other hand, by majority vote, can make anything permissible. For example prostitution. In Islam, there are certain laws that can never be changed. These are known as the “permanent” laws. An example of such a law is the prohibition of Usury. This is clearly forbidden in Islam. Yet in a democratic state, if the majority of people to choose to allow usury, then it will become permissible, AND THIS IS AGIANST ISLAM. This is why I say that democracy is against my religion. It has the power to make what God made haram to be halal. You disappoint me Pub. And what amazes me is that you’re so confident in what you believe to know about Islam. There are conditions in which a Muslim can live in a non-Muslim country: Medical reasons To do business If one is a refugee Education purposes To teach others about Islam However, in all of these cases except for the spread of Islam, the Muslim should have the intentions of leaving the country when they are able to. And God knows what our intentions are. The Laws are set out in the Quran. They are clear cut. You can’t cross the lines which have been drawn by God. This how we give supreme powers to God. It is not up to another human being to change those laws to suit this society. This is how we differ from democracy. Never I’m a pleased at the death of Muslim. It’s in my nature. I just can’t. But an American soldier, while that’s another thing. Now don’t be upset about my opinion. But on the real, I do have my reasons. Read on… And I agree. But disapprove of how the Palestinians were/are treated. Sharing the land is no problem, but when you remove those who live on the land, so you can build your own house on it, then that’s where humanity draws the line. You cannot expel a people of their own land. But at least there are some thinking Jews out there. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs, We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we came here and stole their country. Why should they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion, quoted in "The Jewish Paradox" by Nathan Goldman, former president of the World Jewish Congress. I agree. It is wrong. But at least I can admit the mistakes of the leaders of Islam. But then again, this is not a practice of Islam, but a sin on the part of that leader. May God forgive him. Of course Christians have to pay tax. How do you expect the country to run? Use some common sense. We pay our share (note both Muslim women and men pay while the Jizya is only wanted of the non-Muslim man who works), why shouldn’t the non-Muslim citizen contribute? War isn't a pleasant. I don’t see why you think Muslims putting their hand up to fight and excusing the non-Muslims from fighting is making you second-class citizens. This comes under the protection that is given to the non-Muslim, that the army will fight on their behalf and defend them. This was not a problem in the past. I don’t know, could it because they didn’t want to die? The love of this world and to hate death is the motto of many people. Conquer all you like, but let us keep our religion and our properties. But no, you can’t even do that. What were Christian conquerors good for? All they left behind them was murder and torture. Perhaps I should recount to you the history of the Christians. Great history you got there Pub. Peace and Blessings be to the Believers |
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