Christian/Muslim ThreadsIslam is for Kool-Aid DrinkersLiberate wrote:Sources pls, nowhere is 'ayat' used for the scriptures of the people of the book, jews or christians but the 'verses' of the koran.
This is going to be interesting . I am just going to sit back and watch meh sis tear you apart on this one. Sister Fatimah, inshaaAllah, if you need help with confirmation of where "ayat" is used for teh scripture of the people of the book please PM me I will help you out.
There are at least three threads waiting for your reply H20 am I to take it you are unable to give me a reply?
Liberate wrote:Whose tafsir are you following?
Duh !
This dude is amazing I tell ya. Holds himself up as an Islamic Critic who is supposed to be learnt in islam but yet void of simple Quranic verses. This is to tell ya he has never read the Quran . Anyhow, let me go slide back into the shadows and watch meh sista demolish your "ehm ehm" [Again just how many of you am I talking to?]
Sliding back in the shadows so you don't answer any questions that will force you to confront the absurdity of your religion tells us your motives here are not honest. It seems lately you are taking my words completely out of context, I am wondering just exactly who I am talking to this time? the same person who was unable to distinguish that a present tense has no purpose being in conjunction with a past tense in the same phrase is now unable to distinguish a general question and a verse specific question. Your little trick of call my bluff is getting tiresome, if I have made an error by all means show me the verses, as I told you before I am ready to admit to any error than play the patronising arabic scholar without a qualification to his name.
This is the tafsir of Sura 2:106 from tafsir.com:
The Meaning of Naskh
Ibn Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said that,
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(Whatever a verse (revelation) do Nansakh) means, "Whatever an Ayah We abrogate.'' Also, Ibn Jurayj said that Mujahid said that,
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(Whatever a verse (revelation) do Nansakh) means, "Whatever an Ayah We erase.'' Also, Ibn Abi Najih said that Mujahid said that,
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(Whatever a verse (revelation) do Nansakh) means, "We keep the words, but change the meaning.'' He related these words to the companions of `Abdullah bin Mas`ud. Ibn Abi Hatim said that similar statements were mentioned by Abu Al-`Aliyah and Muhammad bin Ka`b Al-Qurazi. Also As-Suddi said that,
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(Whatever a verse (revelation) do Nansakh) means, "We erase it.'' Further, Ibn Abi Hatim said that it means, "Erase and raise it, such as erasing the following wordings (from the Qur'an), `The married adulterer and the married adulteress: stone them to death,' and, `If the son of Adam had two valleys of gold, he would seek a third.'''[Where are these verses in the koran? the tafsir says your koran contains missing verses]
Ibn Jarir stated that,
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(Whatever a verse (revelation) do Nansakh) means, "Whatever ruling we repeal in an Ayah by making the allowed unlawful and the unlawful allowed.'' The Nasakh only occurs with commandments, prohibitions, permissions, and so forth. As for stories, they do not undergo Nasakh. The word, `Nasakh' literally means, `to copy a book'. The meaning of Nasakh in the case of commandments is removing the commandment and replacing it by another. And whether the Nasakh involves the wordings, the ruling or both, it is still called Nasakh.
Allah said next,
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(or Nunsiha (cause it to be forgotten)). `Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said that,
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(Whatever a verse (revelation) do Nansakh or Nunsiha) means, "Whatever Ayah We repeal or uphold without change.'' Also, Mujahid said that the companions of Ibn Mas`ud (who read this word Nansa'ha) said that it means, "We uphold its wording and change its ruling.'' Further, `Ubayd bin `Umayr, Mujahid and `Ata' said, `Nansa'ha' means, "We delay it (i.e., do not abrogate it).'' Further, `Atiyyah Al-`Awfi said that the Ayah means, "We delay repealing it.'' This is the same Tafsir provided by As-Suddi and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas. `Abdur-Razzaq said that Ma`mar said that Qatadah said about Allah's statement,
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(Whatever a verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten) "Allah made His Prophet forget what He willed and He abrogated what He will.''
Allah's said,
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(We bring a better one or similar to it), better, relates to the benefit provided for the one it addresses, as reported from `Ali bin Abi Talhah that Ibn `Abbas said,
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(We bring a better one) means, "We bring forth a more beneficial ruling, that is also easier for you.'' Also, As-Suddi said that,
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(We bring a better one or similar to it) means, "We bring forth a better Ayah, or similar to that which was repealed.'' Qatadah also said that,
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(We bring a better one or similar to it) means, "We replace it by an Ayah more facilitating, permitting, commanding, or prohibiting.''
Again where does the tafsir mention that nansakh has to do with the scriptures of the people of the book? Also note that the tafsir says your koran contains missing verses with hadiths to back it up.
PS When are you going to tell us all where you obtained this Tafsir al mujaalid samiy abdullah that you have so far refused to reveal your sources for, is it because the original tafsir has nothing of the drivel you interpolated into it? Now not only are koranic interpretations wrong but the tafsir writers didn't understand what they were saying either, this is the reason why I suspect you do not want tafsirs being brought into a discussion, they show your stance to be nothing short of a joke.
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