Judaism ForumBibles For Israel...Shalom Ryan, nayim mayod. Yes where I live there is a lot of converts, they use "Yeshua" as well when referring to Jsh(ua) (Jesus), I think the usage I am quoting it may have gone via Aramaic or something (I am no language expert) so for some reason I ended up using J instead of Ye. May be spelling the proncunciation though. Same for the Father of Jsh(ua) We never utter "Yavay" or "Yaveh" either except in some prayers. It is always hardend to a "J" "Jv(e)h". (never "Jehova" though). Do you avoid using vowels when discussing Jveh (Gd) in english? I never add the "o" because to do so would be saying Gd's name which is not good? there is so much for me to learn here It is well cool that I have found some messianic Jews here. I am very curious I wonder which festivals you observe? I ask this because there is one festival which is very interesting, Hanukkah, which refers to the re-dedication of the temple but also (To my tradition) to the return of Jshua in the temple of his whole creation. (I have often wondered if that was why the mainstream Christians had Christmas not far from Hanukkah.) The Shammas or "Shamatu" (Dont ask I cannot explain, I would love to know why the variation in words) Candle when lit is like being baptised by the Shekinah, the presence of Gd or the "holy Spirit" Something to do with the remaining oil which lasted till the last candle being turned from annointing in oil to being annointed in light, or the Shekinah. sort of as christians describe being baptised in the holy spirit. there is also a sense of completion when the last candle is lit, Like Jshua dying (Oil) and rising (Light). The tradition I was brought up with was basically an eastern European /Ashkenas tradition that was nearly wiped out during Krystalnacht. I seem to have inherited it from my granparents who survived the ensuing horrors. I have often wondered about the similarities between this and current day messianic Judaism. You will have to forgive me if some of the things I mention seem a little strange, I do know that tradition I was raised with and the current tradition practiced by messianic Jews are different in some respects. Possibly because converts from orthodox Judaism use more orthodox terms and ideas than we did. If you know of any pre holocaust Messianic traditions that were around I would love to hear more, as this is important for me on a cultural basis. But I would love to learn more about present day Messianic judaism, because for me it seems like a number of orthodox Jews who have converted to christianity are keeping what I consider to be an important and much forgotten part of Judaism alive. Jshua is the king of the Jews. His part in our history as well as our salvation is important. Of course the most important thing is that people are in the new covenant with Jshua, who died to save us all. If you are a modern Messianic Jew, I imagine I am speaking a totally alien language to you, I have experienced this before, locally as it happens. When I say that my tradition claimed to be descended from either the Essenes or the Sichari, they just look at me blankly and go "Uh". And the Sichari to them spells "Zealots". which does sort of cause a bit of a communications gap I find. I have so many questions about this history But while I walk with Jshua I do feel that discovering more about the history is important to me. I would love to know where my traditions originated and if somewhere that tradition is still being practiced. The only starting point I have is present day Messianic Judaism. All the best to you Sophie |
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