didn't reply to your earlier post because I was hoping you would read about Tertullian for yourself rather than copy a dishonest academic unaware that Tertullian was not a church father and was taking him out of context. I guess it was too much to ask.
There is a website dedicated to the work of tertullian:
www.tertullian.org I suggest you pay it a visit before you take things out of context.
If you had bothered to read the source you would realise Tertullian is a very sarcastic writer
This is the full quote in it's proper context:
"But a few more lies to dispose of. We don't worship an ass-headed god - we leave that to you, and your Anubis cult. We don't worship the cross, a bit of wood. Worshipping bits of wood - idols - is your trick. In fact the trophies of victory you adore all hang off cross-shaped bits of wood, so that's you, not us, once again.
A few of the more refined of you think we worship the sun. Again, that is your practise, not ours.
Instead we worship the one God, the creator. He gave us books to allow us to know him, unknowable as the infinite is of itself, and sent men to tell us about him. Antiquity is almost a superstition among you - consider the antiquity of these books of the Jews! And among them was Christ born, as they knew he must sometime be. God devised the universe by word, powere and reason, as Zeno the Stoic knew, and your own philosophers have sometimes recognised. And a ray of this power, this light, became man, in the womb of a virgin, and is Christ. For as a ray is projected from the sun, but does not diminish the sun's light, and is of the same nature and substance as the sun's light, but an extension of it, so the son of God has proceeded from God, and is one with Him, and not separated. This is like your own stories.
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Tertullian is making a case that all the accusations against christianity by the pagans was a) lies b) true of the pagans themselves. I find it ironic because it is precisely what you are doing denying that Jesus is the Messiah when your koran says He is.
Looks like we are dealing with an individual unable/unwilling to read or comprehend what is being said to him
THOMAS PAINE
“The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.”
Is this really your argument, who ever had a bad word to say about christianity is worthy to be quoted even though their statements equally make ridicule of islam, is this really all you have? I can find several quotes from 19/20th century authors that make ridicule of islam so what? What have I proved? Will you accept the arguments of these authors when I post them to you? Are you really being rational arguing in this manner?
The only true way to judge a religion is on what it's scriptures say.
Am I to take it my point went over your head?
Your koran says Jesus is the Messiah and you are making an argument that He doesn't exist???
You asked about evidence of Paganism in Christianity
Juts eat it kid
Pls spare me your patronising air, we both know you are unable to defend your religion and attacking is really the only defense you have.
Then tell me something why does your koran call Jesus the Messiah?
So Jews were right according to the OT and have all the right to kill Jesus.
So you have to thank the Noble Qur'an kid
Am I to take it you are unable to answer a straight forward question other than say "hey look at this in christianity".
Would you care to tell us who His mother is descended from?
Would you like to tell us who Joseph is descended from?
Am I to take it you are oblivious to the fact jewish descent is ascribed to the mother?
Let me ask you a simple question, which tribe do you think the secular world gets the name Jew from?
Is Jesus not a jew?
Once you have answered that pls tell us why your koran calls Jesus the Messiah
Did Jesus fulfill oany of these criteria?
So Jews were right according to the OT.
You should be thankful to the Noble Qur'an who exposed your rotten pornographic tampered bible and admit that Jesus was the messiah
there is a recurrent theme throughout all your posts, you have straight forward declined to answer direct questions, but instead for a response you make a direct attack on christianity on each succeeding post that requires your response, this is the behaviour of someone who is either unable to defend his own faith and must attack as his only form of defense or someone who is unwilling to turn the scrutiny on his own religion for fear of what he will find. You see if you were to turn half the scrutiny you have shown on christianity on islam you would be asking yourself why you are dressed in 6th century arabian garb, and bowing down to a pagan shrine hoping to get access to an eternal brothel somewhere in paradise. You are beginning to sound like a broken record. Rehashing the very same question that has been answered.
Why don't you focus on the context and see how quick Paul and Barnarbas were to chide the crowd when they thought of them as gods.
Or is your argument any semblance is proof that christianity incorporated paganism into it?
Then in that case, baptism by John the baptist was really plagiarised from the blood baptism of the cult of Mithra since there is a resemblance and both involved baptism therefore proof, even though this was to represent the Noahic convenant, or maybe the 12 disciples was really the 12 months (you are in effect saying the disciples do not exist, again contradicting your koran, have you no shame insulting your own religion to gain a point is this really the mindset of the muslims in the west? what separates your mind thought from a suicide bomber?), even though this was to represent the 12 tribes of Israel, or any sacrifice of any kind if taught by pagans is proof that christianity plagiarised this pagan rite.
Or maybe circumnavigating a black stone was really plagiarised from the cult of aphrodite, the celestial one, whom the arabs called al-ilat (one of the daughters of allah). This piece of information is verifiable and documented years before islam, but yours is not, which one should the rational individual believe? the one written in the 20th century by atheists or the ones written before the advent of islam? Who really was incorporating pagan myths?
So what makes Jesus different from these vanities? Still waiting to convince us!!!
??? Did you read a word I said?
If you want to prove that christianity incorporated paganism into it, there is 10 times more proof that islam incorporated paganism into it most of it from it's religious scriptures, from the plagiarism of the zoroastrains, persian myths and sabaen legends and rites. It is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
That is not an answer to my question, I would like you to show me the relevant excerpts from the website/s you are getting your information from, I ask this for a very good reason, anybody can post a myriad of website links and say "here go read", I suspect you don't really know what it is you are talking about and hoping other muslims have covered what you are ignorant of and are unwilling to scrutinise in your own religion. You have to do better than "eat this" this is a childish phrase not suited to an intellectual debate. You sound like your presence here is a joke.
Looks like you made a slip up to your identity old friend, should I direct the readers to your other articulated monosyllable articles?
I recall I left you with several articles showing islam to be nothing but superstitious plagiarism and Mohammed to be an immoral individual who raped and sanctioned incest for himself, and would be put in jail according to many a 'muslim' country for pedophilia (but he is the best example for all mankind whose actions transcends time right ?), far from the concept of both Judasim and christianity, you and the rest of your group have been unable to refute anything I said. Apart from taking thngs out of context from "the early church fathers" why don't you take out the beam from your eyes before you take the mote from ours, start by telling us why your koran calls Jesus the Messiah?
Already refuted kid
When? Where?
Can you express a paragraph in your own words other than copy and paste? Is this why you cannot refute anything? Because you simply do not know?
Being patronising before a response, laughing and calling the other side a kid is indicative that you are really trying to convince yourself, and hoping nobody confronts you and show you for what you really are.