Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhy does Allah use the word We to refer to HimseH20 Wrote: I have tried to stay out of the "heavy" debating to allow you to respond quicker to Liberate, as you made the following comment in your previous post; Anyhow it seems that you want me to be involved in this debate, so here I am. H20 Wrote: Here you are trying to assert that the Quran was recited daily, not once but five times, how could one forget the scripture? Well lets see what the hadith itself says about the memory of Mohammed himself. Sahih al-Bukhari: book 61, volume 6 558. Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget." Didn't Mohammed pray five times daily? How was your prophet to forget some verses of the Quran? 559. Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget." Why would Allah want anyone to forget verses of the Quran? Now lets see what the following hadith says about the companions memory. Sahih Muslim: book 5, volume 2 (2286) Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bar'at. I have forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgetten it, but remember (this much) out of it: "O people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise: (lxi 2.) and "that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13) Above we see one of the Companions testifying the existence of part of a surah that is no longer in the Qur'an because it had been forgotten by him. can you locate the above surah for me in the present day Quran? H20 Wrote: I havent gone anywhere, I explained above my reasons for not getting to invloved in this debate. H20 Wrote: A simple reply would be that the word "fragments" is not included in the above hadith in the arabic text. But neither does it exclude the notion that the Quran may have been collected by text, orally or even both. What is the arabic word for fragments in the arabic Fusha that might have been used, if the word was actually present? H20 Wrote: What was the reason the scholar made that judgment? Could it have been to respect the laws of the country that you have been allowed to live in as equal people, with equal rights? The Christians and Jews that live in your Islamic countrys are second class citizens and in some cases like Egypt have to pay a tax (jiza) for believing what they do. You come to Christian countrys and are free to build mosques and be equal like everybody eles as long as you respect the law, and that you cannot do? You want to inforce your doctrine of Islamic belief above the laws of a non Islamic country! If you dont like the laws then you are free to go home. In Egypt to this day Coptic Christians are not allowed to build Churches or even rebuild broken down churches, why? H20 Wrote: I will be waiting for this new interpretation of the Quran, by doing this do you admit that all todays interpretations are vastly incorrect? H20 You are trying to impose that the Quran is perfect, that the surahs have been completely collected into the Quan, this is untrue. The fact is muslims cannot bring themselves to believe that the Quran has been tampered with, and parts of the Quran have been lost forever. Abdullah ibn Umar, in the earliest days of Islam said: It is reported from Ismail ibn Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi from Ibn Umar who said: "Let none of you say 'I have acquired the whole of the Qur'an'. How does he know what all of it is when much of the Qur'an has disappeared? Rather let him say 'I have acquired what has survived.'" (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p.524). A part of the Quran was eaten by a goat for crying out loud, I am trying to locate the hadith. Peace |
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