Christian/Muslim ThreadsThe Miracles of IslamKai writes:
I decided that I would debunk all the miracolous predictions proposed by Abdurrahman in this particular post.
Having already replied to half of his ideas, here I present a second post mainly replying to the supposed miracle of the water barrier.
Abdurrahman wrote:
OCCEANS LINKED
"And when the rivers are made to flow into each other." (81:7)
"He has made the two bodies of water flow. They will one day meet. Between them there is a barrier; they cannot encroach one upon the other." (55:20,21)
"And He it is Who shall merge the two seas together. This palatable and sweet, that saltish and bitter. And between them He has (presently) placed a barrier and a massive partition." (25:54)
This phenomenal prophecy is an excellent proof of truthfulness of Quran. It was beyond imagination of any one living 1400 years ago to even think of linking of oceans which we see today in Panama and Suez canals.
Kai replies:
Actually it may surprise you, that the ancient scientists and thinkers predating Muhammad with several centuries were well aware of this factor.
You need to grasp brother, that ancient science was rather significant and rather predictable in terms of what modern science would deem accurate.
The so called ‘Wather barrier’ is in scientific language referred to a ‘Pycnocline’ science and at least suggests according to research and 2400 years of observation, that we are dealing with the separation of waters of different densities due to temperature or salinity.
Thus science in this case has actually more or less proven that there is no mysterical barrier as the Koran suggests, but rather a simply natural, obvious phenomena.
The famous Pliny the Younger (1 Century) stated:
In fact the nature of water also is not deficient in marvels. Patches of fresh water float on the surface of the sea, being doubtless lighter. Consequently also sea-water being of a heavier nature gives more support to objects floating upon it. But some fresh water too float on the surface of others, cases are the river carried on the surface of Lake Fucino, the Adde on the Lake of Como, the Ticino on Maggiore, etc…
(Pliny, Naturalis Historia, Book II, CVI, 224, as per, H. Rackham (trans.), Pliny: Natural History, (Loeb Classical Library, Harvard University Press, 1967), Vol. I, p. 353)
Similar notions were already predicted by observations 5 centuries before Christ, e.g. Artistotles who clearly reveals the ancient progress in water science:
We find it maintained that rivers not only flow into the sea but originate from it, the salt water becoming sweet by infiltration. But this view involves another difficulty. If this body is the source of all water, why is it salt and not sweet. Now the sun, moving as it does, sets up processes of change and becoming and decay, and by its agency the finest and sweetest water is every day carried up and is dissolved into vapour and rises to the upper region, where it is condensed again by the cold and so returns to the earth. The drinkable, sweet water, then, is light and all of it draw up: the salt water is heavy and remains behind, but not in its proper place. The place which we see the sea filling is not its place but that of water. It seems to belong to the sea because the weight of the salt water makes it remain there, while the sweet drinkable water which is light is carred up
Aristotle, Meteorologika, Book II, 354b15-30 & 355a30-355b1, as per Jonathan Barnes (trans. & ed.), The Complete Works of Aristotle, (Princeton, 1985), Vol. 1, pp 577 & 578.
Looking at the contribution of the ancient scientists and their discoveries and their postulates, we may honestly state that the waterbarrier concept as miracolous in the Koran, is debunked.
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