Snipe wrote:
Omega-
Are you saying that there is more than one God? From your post, I see the example of a man and wife's oneness as unity, but yet, you claim they are two different persons still. Now, if you apply that to Christ and the Father, that makes them in unity in thought and intent, but separate dieties.
As I qouted before, we have one God and Father of all.
Now if Christ is God, then He is the Father, thus one God and not three. NOw, if you are saying Christ is not God, that is a different matter all together. I am not trying to put words into your mouth, but rather trying to understand what you mean and reflect on your words.
BradtheImpaler wrote: Very good Omega - you have just demonstrated that you do not believe that there is literally one God but that God is "one" only metaphorically -
When it says that a man and wife shall be "one flesh" it means that in a metaphorical sense. Everyone understands that just from the context. That is, we know that these 2 persons are not LITERALLY one flesh, but they are one in a manner of speaking. Similarly, when it speaks of believers being "one", it does not mean they are the same literal BEING, but that they share some type of "oneness". I can't imagine anyone that would disagree with this understanding. Now you, by just applying this understanding of being "one" to the Father/Son/Spirit have shown that you do not really believe that God is one being, but that the Father/Son/Spirit have a oneness of purpose and will. Following the examples you have cited, the Father/Son/Spirit are no more literally the same entity than a man and a wife are, or the members of a church are -
You do not believe in one God (mathematically), you believe in 3 Gods which act in unison.
Of course, you will not admit to having 3 Gods, because you have been trained not to say that - but, by your very own choice of examples you demonstrate that you do not believe that God is one being, but 3, in the same sense that a man and wife remain 2 beings and the church is composed of many beings.
Now let's go return to the essence of my original post -
Do you not realize that in the polytheistic mythology of the Greeks and Romans (etc.) that many of their gods were thought to be "one" in the same sense that a man and wife are "one" per your example? Many pagan deities were thought to be "family members". Many of them could be "one" in purpose also. The point is one could easily entertain belief in a group of gods which could be said to be "one" to the same extent that you believe the true God is "one" AND IT WOULD NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY, IN CONCEPT, WERE MANY GODS.
Here is what both of you fail to realize, and as for me I have no problem
HUMBLY SUBMITTING to the Truth, as a matter of fact
I have, and that TRUTH is found within Scriptures if one is willing to understand with their hearts. Furthermore one should be
cautious in attempting to discerns ones reason as to why they do not submit to the Truth, whether it be
lack of humility or
lack of understanding, or both.
1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us there is but (ONE GOD), (the Father), of whom are all things, and we in him; (and) one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Key word is"
and"{kai}
They are (separate) Deities if they are
CREATED! This is where ALL who fail to comprehend the Doctrine of the Triune God fail to realize. What you fail to realize is that Christ in Uncreated, whereas man and woman are. When one is born in to this world He/She
becomes a person, separate in body and distinct from the Creator. The Uncreated "Son of God" is both ever-existing and of the same essence and judgment. If the Father, Son and Spirit are all ever-existing and each member uncreated and in absolute agreement and essence, does that truly make it more than "One Deity"?
FALSE PAGAN gods are
CREATED!
Did one member of the Godhead suddenly decide to agree with the other member, or have they always and eternally been in absolute agreement?
John 17:22 - And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may (be) one, EVEN AS{kathos} we are one:
Even as:
according as
And as for us, Jesus prayed that "we" may one day
Become One in Unity, Christ did not
become One with His Father,
He always was! Do you understand this my friend?
And BTW,
meditation is Good especially in "the Word". However when one
meditates on teachings that is founded on
mans understanding and logic and
not the
Spiritual , then one becomes Indoctrinated with it and is hardened in their belief to the point as to where the truth is far from them. In false religions men and women meditate to come in communion with their false gods, in reality they
invite their doctrines into them and a "spirit" of falsehood which at most times take control of their understanding.
Be not deceived, the more you meditate on false teachings, the deeper it will sink into your conscience. And the outcome is that the Truth will be beyond
your reality!
God Bless!