Religious Cults & False Prophets~ Discussions and DebatesDistinct PersonsAineo wrote:Brad, is Jesus the suffering Messiah of the OT? If you can say yes then find me one OT verse that so plainly states this fact that any reasonable Hebrew should accept Jesus Christ as the prophesied Messiah.
Are you saying there is none?
Acts 15:11
11 "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are." NAS
Ephesians 2:4-10
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, that no one should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. NAS
2 Timothy 1:8-11
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, or of me His prisoner; but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity, 10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle and a teacher. NAS
Here are portions of Scripture that plainly and unequivocally state we are save by grace plus nothing else, yet how many cults and mainline denominations have added baptism and other prerequisites to salvation? Even when a Biblical truth is found in just one verse there are those who will argue that Paul is wrong and that other factors must be added for anyone’s salvation to be valid.
I will give you a couple of other examples and they are justification and sanctification. How are we justified and sanctified?
If I was to use your reasoning then all anyone would need is one book written by one man that lists all we need to know concerning God and His truth. The fact the Holy Spirit inspired 66 books not just one demonstrates that God has been revealed to mankind through discernment and study not point blank statements that are plainly stated in any one Biblical book.
You are really caught up in a "revolving door" here. You're arguing against using specific verses to establish a truth, yet you QUOTE SPECIFIC VERSES to establish salvation by grace alone in your example??????
Now I'm at the point of wondering if this is all just a "put on" on your part? Are you really serious, or are you a non-Trinitarian posing as a Trinitarian to make them (Trinitarians) look foolish? I'm not trying to be insulting, but can anyone blame me for wondering how anyone would seriously say what you did in your other post - that I choose to ignore what is taught in scripture because I can't find even one verse that teaches it?
That is CLASSIC
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