Aineo wrote:BradtheImpaler wrote:Aineo wrote:Brad, is Jesus the suffering Messiah of the OT? If you can say yes then find me one OT verse that so plainly states this fact that any reasonable Hebrew should accept Jesus Christ as the prophesied Messiah.
Are you saying there is none?
You have chosen to ignore my question so I guess I need to rephrase it
I'm not ignoring it, I'm wondering if you are also conceeding, by this question, that there is not one verse in the OT to support the identification of Jesus as the Messiah?
Your main argument against the Trinity is the lack of a single verse in Scripture that states the one God is revealed as 3 persons so I asked you to show me one OT Scripture that any Hebrew could understand to state Jesus is the suffering Messiah. What you have done is appeal to the NT
The portrayl of the Messiah as "suffering" is a debate to take up with the Jews. As far as the OT stating JESUS would be the suffering messiah - no, I can't think of any verses.
But back to your original premise that Trinitarians are in fact polytheistic.
There is only ONE GOD who has revealed Himself in 3 roles in the NT. These roles are Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All three make up the ONE GOD and each person (role) has all the characteristics, attributes, and abilities of the other
Well, we don't need to go any farther here, do we? YOU'RE NOT EVEN A TRINITARIAN. You just stated the Father/Son/Spirit are "roles" of the one God, and further, defined "persons" as "roles". That is Modalism, (aka. "Oneness Pentecostalism) which is deemed a HERETICAL VIEWPOINT by any Trinitarian author/scholar you can find.
What does this demonstrate? That you don't know what you're talking about. That the understanding among many Trinitarians on what these "persons" are is so subjective as to be meaningless.
And don't say you made a "semantic error", Aineo - you absolutely identified the persons of the Trinity as "roles"...
QUOTE: "These ROLES are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All three make up the one God and EACH PERSON (ROLE) has all the characteristics, attributes, and abilities of the other"