Science, Creation & EvolutionSmoking-Gun Evidence of Man-Monkey Kindred: Episode IApostateAbe presents... --Ashby L. Camp of TrueOrigin.org. ApostateAbe says: ERVs probably do not serve any function useful to an intelligent designer, but it doesn't matter if they do. It wouldn't explain why ERVs are shared in a pattern that matches evolutionary predictions exactly. More importantly, ERVs, by definition, are the marks left by viruses. If instead God put the marks in the genes, then it is strange that he would make them resemble ERVs so closely. Young-earth creationists say: --JohnR7 of Christian Forums. ApostateAbe says: A few studies of shared ERVs among organisms (like the Junglefowl study) are rare examples of "horizontal transfer" of gene lines. It happens when a piece of DNA latches on to a virus, the virus travels to another organism, and the foreign DNA incorporates itself into the new genes. So why does this phenomenon not destroy my argument? Because horizontal transfers do not explain identical locations of gene lines. When an ERV horizontally transfers from one genome to another, it does not usually land in the same location as before. But the ERVs described in diagram A are in "identical chromosomal locations" (as cited by Douglas Theobald). Young-earth creationists say: --Ashby L. Camp of TrueOrigin.org. ApostateAbe says: This argument has slight relevance only if we assume horizontal transfer (described above), because insertion biases would explain only identical locations, not identical ERV sequences. But the amount of insertion bias described in the study by Sverdlov isn't nearly enough to accomodate the idea of special creation. If we assume special creation and the insertion bias is as cited in the study, then we would still not expect each arrow in diagram A to represent "identical chromosomal locations." And even if the insertion biases were 100% predictable, we would not see a family-tree structure in diagram A. We would instead see lines connecting organisms merely by geography. CONCLUSION: Your mind may deny it, but the DNA of your entire body contains a smoking gun. Monkeys are closer cousins than you may realize or have the courage to admit. CREDITS: --- Douglas Theobald of TalkOrigins. --- Jet Black of Christian Forums and IIDB. --- WinAce of Christian Forums. --- Artists of the Planet of the Apes TV series and films. --- Lebedev, Y. B., Belonovitch, O. S., Zybrova, N. V, Khil, P. P., Kurdyukov, S. G., Vinogradova, T. V., Hunsmann, G., and Sverdlov, E. D. (2000) "Differences in HERV-K LTR insertions in orthologous loci of humans and great apes." Gene 247: 265-277. --- Richard Dawkins --- ApostateAbe, atheist extraordinaire |
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