Christian/Muslim ThreadsNo Proof Quran Copied from Bible, Gnostic or Jewish SourcesMy reply to Liberate: The Quran was revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) who is Quraish and written in Quraish Arabic. This is an established fact within Islamic historical writings and even anti Islam writers like Arthur Jeffrey admitted (see answering-islam website). 2) I quoted from Wikipedia which really should have opened your eyes with a distinction between "Literary Arabic" (Fusha or Quranic Arabic) and "dialectical" or "colloquial" Arabic (Egyptian, Libyan, Morrocan, etc). Yet, you highlighted some aspects of it: The text shows that in the modern world, "dialects" are not frequently written... but these dialects still exists in Egypt and Lebanon. Just tell Artheur Jeffrey or your answering-islam website how the Quran is not written in Quraish Arabic. 3) Liberate wrote: Seriously. Are you really interested in intellectual debate or simply wanted to waste my time? I have written several times that i) Tisdall believed that the source was the Arabic Gospel of Infancy ii) He did not confirm/conclude that the apocryphal was available to the Prophet iii) He jumped to the assumption of "oral transmission" instead of "textual borrowing". In essence, Tisdall believed that the apocryphal Gospel was the source, but in teh absence of proof, he believed that the story (that can be found in the original Coptic language) could have been told to the Prophet through maybe Mary the Copt. 4) I really do not wish to repeat my argument on Tisdall conclusion. To be fair, this discussion is for all interested readers. To all - Please read the conclusion of Tisdall clearly to understand why he stated that Muhammad (pbuh) "was not consulting any written documents". Also linked this to my argument in (3) above. 5) Quote: You simply listed down the list of apocryphals and tell me this is 'textual criticism'? I have seen many Christian writers state the same thing and you expect Muslims to believe them? 6) There is no history of Christian proselytisation or evangelisation in Mecca during the Prophet's time. You can check Abdullah's response and also islamic-awareness website. What you quoted is basically some Jews who "read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims". (Notice they did not read from Arabic Torah). That is understandable since Jews were present at Medina and the Jews might be discussing religious issues with regards to Quranic refernce to Jews. I think no Muslims is denying that. But you should actually look at the Prophet's response. There are common grounds between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Coming back to the story of Jesus childhood, how was the hadith (the Jews) and Waraqa a proof that the Prophet borrowed the story from them? There are no indication from the hadith that the Prophet borrowed the story of Jesus childhood from them. 7) Even the Quran did not say that the "tales of the ancient" refers to the childhood of Jesus. You have given us the Surahs. Maybe you can tell us the context of the revelations and how that could have been linked to the story of Jesus childhood. 8) The issue was on the result of carbon dating of the Arabic Gospel of Infancy. I have not seen any despite some Christians claimed otherwise. 9) Which verses are you talking about? 10) First, I do not think it is called "sirat rasullah". You cannot even quote the right book. Secondly, who is the author? Ibn Ishaq was supposed to be the writer. However, some volumes of his work are non-existent and your refernce could probably have been edited by other writers. That is why I asked for clarification. Thridly, the hadith lacks proper isnad. You cannot just give any hadith to Muslims and tell them to accept it. salam |
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