Christian/Muslim ThreadsWho is Peace2God’sPeople?acctually i ment with "you can't choose religions like a peace of cloths": that you can't just pick a religion out of the blue without any study in advanced... Just how like New Agers pick the next best spiritual Swami lesson because it sounds spiritual an divine too them. They just pick religions to fill some hole they have in their life and need to fill it with something that gives them meaning... but giving someone meaning doesn't equal giving someone truth. the people that choose religion like a peace of clothes are seeking a meaning in life not truth. faith without reason is blind. and if Peace2God'speople chose it merely because he thinks it fits him, then he choses it out of meaning, not because he found any theological truth in it (wich i haven't seen him debating either) acctually no, i disagree... you must have a certain set of demands in order to accept a religion, otherwise your just being naieve... and then your not studying either, but merely looking around. Too me Christianity has the strongest historical and scriptual foundations then any other on earth. It's fullfilling prophecies are unmatched by any religion... and spiritually... today's everyday miracles that happen all over the world are proof that the holy spirit is excisting and guiding christians to the second comming. The only major thing Jews dispute with christians is his miracles and prophecies wich make him the Messiah... and that's about it. Other then that their are no theological contradictions with the Old Testament (since it is included and confirms Jesus's message rather then disagreeing with it) and their is no scriptual plagariarism to be found of any kind... so the external sources against christianity are rather weak... while against Islam it has a wall of arguments that indicate nothing more then a common warlord with megalomania. Women are inferior, and should obey men, if they don't you can beat them [4.34] Women have fewer rights concerning divorce [2] Life of a woman is worth half of that of a man [Malik, Book 43, Number 43.6.4b] "A woman is like a private part (sex organ). When she goes out (walking) the devil casts a glance at her (in lust)" Al Hadis, Vol. 2, p. 692 Ja`ber-b-Abdullah reported that the Messenger of Allah said, "...Verily, you have married (wives) with trust in Allah. You have got the right over them that they entertain nobody to your bed which you dislike. If they do this, give them a beating..." [Al Hadis, Vol 1, p. 217 (76)] This horse raddish is the quran & hadiths my friend... and the misstreatment of women in the west is nowhere commanded and is forbidden. Unless you can quote me some government wich says in it's constitution that women and men are not equal? where in our laws is their a one that says you can misstreat women? i know Islam has a law of God wich allows that... to quote late jacques derrida: "To pretend, I actually do the thing: I have therefore only pretended to pretend." i believe Peace2God'speople if he claims he was a christian, i only doubt his sincerty of that... most of the converts that i have seen (if not all) are completly lacking any firm theological knowledge. and are most of the time very confused if you bring the arguments up. If it were a muslim country wich invaded and ousted Saddam Hussein the muslim world would applauded that... the only thing that stings for them is the humilation of the infidel controlling 'God's people'. Maybe according to you H20 Iraq was better of with Saddam. But then i will disagree with you. The people who keep this war alive are minority extremists who aren't even supported by the people and who kill their own people, the US would of been long gone if it wasn't for them. i have read the letter of Osama decleration of war against the United States. And what he does is basicly muslim manipulation he thinks of himself of Saladin and tries to unite all muslims in his cause by making a black and white world in where the West is the ultimate enemy of all muslims... he does this by name dropping a series of muslim conflicts all over the world (czechiania, kosovo -at the time, kashmir, palestine, philiphines, etc...) and say they have a common enemy. He wants to unite all extremists against his enemy (Saudi Arabia/USA). And that's about it. Nothing logical about his actions he only wants to do a coup in Saudië Arabia but can't do this as long as the US is their Ally. So he needs to destroy it, all ways possible, even if involves mass manipulation and cowardly killing thousands of innocent people. the stupid thing H20 is that you buy it... the disgusting thing is, that you support it or have sympathy for it. Constantine had nothing to do with the creed, he wasn't even in the room when it was created, he invited the most prominent bishops of the roman empire to come together behind closed doors, work out the disputes and come together too form the common grounds of the christian doctrine (supportable by scripture) excluding the disputes and the heresies. Trinity was teached since the dawn of christianity... baptizing in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit as christ said. the SON of God was why christ was crucified, Luke reffered to the God with us prophecy... etc... it was teached all over the empire only not defined yet. The heresies (like Arius) that teached against it, were allready seen as heresies by the early church fathers long before the nicene creed was created. Progressive revelation H20. God was a guidance to Israel in many wars in order to guarantee it's survival. The neccecity of the pagan war must have been unable to go past it, otherwise it wouldn't of happend. Since nowhere in Jewish history is such an act repeated in fact, you see the bible revealing more and more it's ultimate truth, based upon the foundatios Moses layed. In the light of that, Muhammed war's are a world apart, for the gain of money, power, territory and for all time. You go back to the OT and skip the message of the NT... instead of talking about the complete message and word of God... you try and justify it with it's foundations, are you know gonna admit that Islam is a backwards religion? instead of forward? cause the NT went forward... while the quran wanted the reaping back and not just for some, but for all non-muslims and for all time. heh? i wasn't even talking about Islam in that passage... he can do as he likes really, in my opinion it's voluntary stupidity. He should do so more research then merely picking something that 'sounds' nice... a wolve in a sheeps cloth also 'looks' innocent. Why should we say "God Bless" after that? you really think God is gonna bless him while he chooses his heresy? if God is not gonna like what one of his sheep does... then why should we? Saint Augustine once said "If God wants to talk to you, he does this trough other people" When someone joins this forum, they either have questions or something to say... so have others have their opinions as well. Well, is that why for example, a muslim woman can't marry a christian man without being forced to convert him? Secondly if God guides us christians and we feel the need to debate the converts then we are doing God's will as well. who says we don't respect and love him as a human being? i do the same with you as well, and with the muslims i know in real life... merely because i don't agree with you or anyone for that matter doesn't mean i hate or dissrespect him. Islam has no God, some research would proof you that. what about Bahai? Mormonism? Sikhism? or a buddhist? confucionist? acctually i would have lesser problems with confucionism and buddhism... the Logos (The Word) is more alive in those religions then in Islam. But that wouldn't mean it would be truth either. Islam has no place to be in once sentence together with Christianity and Judaism... heresies belong in the heresy lists |
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