Religious Cults & False Prophets~ Discussions and DebatesWhich SabbathEndurance wrote:Aineo wrote:In the Ten Commandments the Sabbath is called a day of rest; in Leviticus the Sabbath is a holy convocation for the Jews. Now the issue seems to be are we under the Law, and the answer is no.
Sorry, but the Sabbath was ordained before the law. I have two questions for you Aineo. Where is the first mention of the Sabbath and how it is holy? Was it given with the law, or before it? The issue is not whether we are under the law at all.
In Genesis we read: Genesis 2:1-3
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 And by the seventh day God completed His work which He had done; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. NAS
Here again God sanctified the 7th day since on the 7th day He rested from His work of creation. The Law states in Leviticus that the 7th day is a holy convocation for the Jews. Worshipping on the Sabbath is not mandated for gentiles. Aineo, may I ask what do you think Christ meant when he said this:
Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
To me this does not say that the Sabbath is for the Jews only. But rather until heaven and earth pass away, that nothing from the law shall be changed. Do only the Jews celebrate Him as creator? Now if the Sabbath is the day he consecrated as holy because he rested from his works on it, shouldn't those who honor him as creator honor the day He made holy in reverence of Him creating the world?
I will respond with a question. Do you keep the dietary laws, and if not why not? God made the Law and God can change the Law as He did in Acts. And if you accept Paul's epistles as inspired then study Romans for your answer. Matt 5:19 - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Aineo, if you don't respond to anything else, please respond to this: Christ says whosoever shall break the least commandment and teach others is the least. Now the Sabbath is a commandment of God that preceeded the law right? Are you one that breaks this and teaches others to do so or are you one who keeps it and teaches others to?
The Sabbath was sanctified as a day of rest, as to teaching others to annul the Law then what about the Apostles who not only taught the Law did not apply to gentiles they broke the dietary laws, which as I posted earlier were annulled by God Himself. And what about circumcision? Circumcision preceded the law, now read Acts 15 and the pronouncement of the Council of Jerusalem. Have you studied Hebrews?
Hebrews 7:11-21
11 Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. 13 For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. 15 And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, 16 who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is witnessed of Him,
"Thou art a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek."
18 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness 19(for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. 20 And inasmuch as it was not without an oath 21(for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,
"The Lord has sworn
And will not change His mind,
'Thou art a priest forever'");
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Now answer a question for me, what did Jesus mean when He told the Pharisees: Mark 2:27-28
27 And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 "Consequently, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
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