aburaees wrote:
First and foremost, I have never alleged that there was any Biblical precedent for permissible acts of sexual perversion.
My previous post was concentrated solely on the issue of Jihad, and the practice of killing entire populations, sometimes including innnocent women and male children.
Again I reiterate the Israelites did not practice spreading the religion which is what jihad is, Judaism is notorious for not seeking proselytes. The Israelites were told to wipe out the canaanites, due in part to their practices such as burning people on the alter of their gods, the Israelites did not wipe them out and they came back to haunt them again and again via their descendants, again I reiterate this has no bearing on christianity.
There is no Islamic story that mentions the intentional killing of women and children, but they were often kept alive for carnal reasons.
What I'm saying is, from the Muslim point of view GOD can command the Israelites to wipe out entire populations of sinful people, GOD can make a covenant with the Israelites, GOD can get angry at the Israelites for breaking the covenant, GOD can use the enemies of the Israelites to punish them, GOD can punish the Israelites for rejecting the Messiah, GOD can favour another nation that becomes pleasing to him, GOD can command Arabs to wipe out people who have turned their back on his covenant and his Messiah.
Would God also command the arabs to wipe out christians following the Messiah from iran, from Syria, from Lebanon...? are you in all honesty saying it is the same God? why would the same God who repeately states despite the sins of the Israelites He would never forsake them, they are as the apple of His eye, suddenly in the era of islam call them "apes and pigs"?? Your analogy is in error, what is stopping a guru gobin singh, or a bahauillah, or an ahmadiyya saying they are now the chosen people and have the onus and interpretation of the message of God? if they contradict all that a "
God who changeth not" has said for the last 6000+ yrs?
None of us can deny that God is capable of these things...
The question is DID he do it?
Again you are still trying to associate anti christian, and anti jewish dogma by muslims as if it is sanctioned by God, and as you noted why would the same God suddenly pull a trick and say sorry folks I have been lying to you all for the last 6,000+ yrs here now is Mohammed my prodigy listen to him or die.
The following points were quite helpful;
Liberate wrote:contradicting the old and the news testaments
Liberate wrote:"By their fruits you shall know them"
The following point was quite interesting;
Liberate wrote:what are you trying to say here? that we should disregard the raping, pedofilia, incest, adultery and fornication of Mohammed? is this what you are trying to say?
I'm not saying we should disregard it. But, King David was guilty of a couple of those things - yet his Psalms are still in our Bible to this day.
and King David was punished severely for his fornication and adultery even though he repented, allah on the other hand couldn't sanction enough of it for Mohammed, be it incest, adultery and fornication with Zaynab his son's wife, or the rape of Safiyah and Rabyanah after killing their husbands, recall the ayats:
O Prophet [Muhammad (SAW)]! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; - a priviledge for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Al-Ahzab 33:50)
When thou saidst to him whom God had blessed and thou hadst favoured, 'Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear God,' and thou wast CONCEALING WITHIN THYSELF what God should reveal, FEARING OTHER MEN; and God has better right for thee to fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her, THEN WE GAVE HER IN MARRIAGE TO THEE, so that there should not be any fault in the believers, touching the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished what they would of them; and God's commandment must be performed. S. 33:37
"And all married women are forbidden unto you EXCEPT those captives whom your right hand possesses sura 4:24
and the numerous ahadith that Mohammed gave the green light for his men to practice 'azl' (raping) with captured women the fact that they were to be raped was even out of the question, to impregnate them was what his mujaheddin had a problem with because then they couldn't get good money for them as pregnant slaves ofcourse Mohammed told them it doesn't matter wether they get pregnant or not, just rape them alhamduillah.
I think the greatest point a Christian has against Muhammad is that his practice is the exact opposite of Jesus' practice on so many counts that he is the best candidate for the Spirit of Antichrist to this day.
Without a shadow of a doubt.