Aburaees wrote:fdjohan wrote:Sorry, who are "THEY" in this case that you mean?
The history recorded the "YOUNG TURK" massacred the Armenians. It is recorded that the JEWISH inside the "YOUNG TURK". It was caught that the Young Turk fought their own Muslim brothers. And suddenly Islam is to be blame. Cmoon mann!! can Christians be fair even just a bit?
I think you've misunderstood me, THEY refers to te Jews. I've come across many crackpot theories where some Muslims try to claim that the Jews plotted the 9/11 attacks, and the Jews planned the holocaust in Germany. I'm sorry but these ideas are just plain ridiculous.
And like I said, the Armenian holocaust has nothing to do with Islam unless someone can prove that Islamic teachings permitted it in he first place. This is what should be under dispute.
The source you cited for the "YOUNG TURK" evidence was a Turkish Muslim source, which is hardly going to be accepted by Christians considering that Muslims are still trying to claim that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 and the holocaust of their own people.
Let us forget the word "CLAIM". I am asking you to talk more objective.
This is about "YOUNG TURK" and their revolution.
Young Turk Revolution
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turk_Revolution
The 1908 Young Turk Revolution even though a popular constitutional movement, was a watershed in the history of the late Ottoman Empire. It not only put an end to Hamidian regime, but also identified an ancient regime in Ottoman politics in the strongest terms and attempted to replace old institutions and policies with the new ones. Abdülhamid II's carefully created regime, refined and revamped by its founder over more than three decades, simply vanished from the scene, and no one who possessed any weight in politics, even among the opponents of Committee of Union and Progress (CUP), either defended it or yearned for its return.
The Young Turk Revolution not only established a new power center in Ottoman politics, namely CUP, but also gave rise to a dynamic opposition that disputed the political program of the CUP.
Another result of the 1908 Young Turk Revolution was the gradual creation of a new governing elite, which had consolidated and cemented its control over the Ottoman civil and military administration by 1913.
Besides making the CUP the dominant actor in Ottoman politics, the 1908 Young Turk Revolution marked a strong shift in the organization of the elites of many ethnic and religious gruops in the Ottoman Empire. For instance, the Dashnaktsutiun replaced the pre-1908 Armenian elite, which had been composed of merchants, artisans, and clerics who saw their future in obtaining more privileges within the boundaries of the state's version of Ottomanism.
The loyal Muslim Albanian elite, who had greatly benefited from the Hamidian regime in return for their fidelity to the sultan, was replaced by an intellectual-nationalist elite, with members such as Bajram Curri, Nexhib Draga, and Myfit Libohova; all of these aimed at uniting Albanians of three different faiths under the flag of Skenderbeu and called for reforms for the benefit of all Albanians.
In some communities, such as the Jewish one (see more at Jews in Islamic Europe and North Africa and History of Jews in Turkey), reformist groups emulating the Young Turks ousted the conservative ruling elite and replaced them with a new reformist one.
The Young Turks and the expatriate organizations of the various ethnic groups had not been able to find common ground during their years in opposition. After the revolution their disagreements grew in importance, since they gained the upper hand in in the administration of the empire and of community affairs.
The CUP's adoption of an aggressive Ottomanism, which its opponents considered tantamount to Turkification, strained relations even more.
Can you prove me that the article from wikipedia wrote by a Muslim?
This article I picked from Jewish website.
"TO DAY IN SEPHARDIC JEWISH HISTORY"
http://isfsp.org/apr.html
1909: Jews take active part in uprising of the Young Turk movement, notably Nissim Effendi Mazliah and Emmanuel Effendi Carusso, members of the Parliament. Many Jews from Adrianople, Constantinople, Monastir and Salonica volunteer in the Army of the Young Turks.
If you say the all of those claimed by Muslims, you are dead wrong my friend. That's a historical record. And the information is there.
One the FOUNDERS of the YOUNG TURK is A JEWISH.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=531420
So who was this
Emanuel Karasu? Most sources that mention his name
are, alas, in Turkish; and unfortunately my Turkish vocabulary is
extremely limited. But based on what I could understand, these are
some basic (and very incomplete) biographical facts:
- He was born in 1862.
- He originally was a lawyer in Thessaloniki in the late 19th century,
when that part of Greece was still part of the Osman Empire.
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He was a Sephardic Jew.
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He also was a Freemason, a distinguished member of the lodge
"Macedonia Rissorta" in Thessaloniki (founded in 1864 by the lodge
"Italia" of Istanbul). It may be interesting that Turkish Prime
Minister Talat Pasha (1917-1918) was also a member of Karasu's lodge.
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He was one of the founders of the "Young Turks" movement in the 1890s.
That info above supported by Rense.com
http://www.rense.com/general64/genoc.htm
A 1994 conference paper/lecture by Joseph Brewda of Schiller Institute entitled "Palmerson launches Young Turks to permanently control Middle East " claims the founder of the Young Turks to be a certain Jew by the name of Emmanuel Carasso. He states: "Carasso set up the Young Turk secret society in the 1890s in Salonika, then part of Turkey, and now part of Greece. Carasso was also the grand master of an Italian masonic lodge there, called 'Macedonia Resurrected.' The lodge was the headquarters of the Young Turks, and all the top Young Turk leadership were members."
I am not "CLAIMING" something, but I am talking about the history of "YOUNG TURK" who was massacre the Ermenians.
Do Muslims only claim that JEWS were behind 9/11 attack?
http://student.fortlewis.edu/DEWARNER/
The Real 9/11 Terrorists: The Jews
This website, created by the Patriot Friends of America Network (APFN), claims that Israel was solely responsible for the 9-11 attacks, especially the Israeli secret intelligence network known as the Mossad. The Mossad used the remote controlled plans that attacked the trade center through a secret radio control system. The U.S. government had long known about the planned attacks on the trade center, through communications between Paul Wolfowitz and Israel's Zbiniew Brzezinski, but were blackmailed into cooperating and covering it up because Israel had hundreds spies in the United States with the capability to detonate nuclear weapons in U.S. cities.
This website article was written by Sean McBride, who is a reporter investigating U.S. CIA-Drug trade involvement. He researched 9-11, and according to him, he unwillingly found out that the 9/11 attacks were a Israeli government plan carried out by the Mossad secret intelligence agency, in accordance to on of the Mossad mottos, "By way of deception, thou shall do war."
I'll be glad to talk more about the EVIL behind 9/11.
More and more people point their finger to JEWISH. Most of them are Americans which are not all Muslims.
And about Blaming Islam for Armenians massacre, That's really a SLANDER. Coming from a MODERATOR of this forum.
It's so sad.
How Christian legalize SLANDER against other religion.
Salaam