Science, Creation & EvolutionI believe in evolution! :: Evolution is, others were, god is not.Evolution is, other's were, god is not.
Alpha wrote:
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Why should you care, you would be dead by the time we humans supposedly "evolve", seeing that this thing happens every some millions of years. If you want to think about the future, accept Christ as your Savior and you will have a pleasant one.
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Evolution is occurring to all species, at all times, including humans. It is timeless like that. It is happening now. Can’t you see it? Can’t you feel it? Have faith brother, have FAITH. How about just wake up and face facts. I do not have to wait to die to know it, I live it. If you want to care about the future, stop supporting a god people use to absolve themselves of there trespasses against other man. Forget Christ and let us all have a pleasant one.
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Aineo wrote:
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Sudden appearance of phyla in the Cambrian explosion is a thread where I asked evolutionists to explain what is sometimes called the “Biological Big Bang”. The only accurate scientific explanation is “we don’t know”.
I think those you call "extremists" are simply people who want to get at the truth, which precludes teaching an unproven theory as “scientific fact”.
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Scientist admitting that they don’t know something (as of yet) is better than the religious explanation which would run along the lines of “We don’t know and don’t care to find out”.
Science, by definition, is not out to “prove” anything. It is a dynamic search for truth.
Religion, by definition, is not out to “prove” anything. It is static and based on faith.
From http://encarta.msn.com/:
re•li•gion (plural re•li•gions)
noun Definitions: 1. beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life
faith (plural faiths)
noun Definitions: 1. belief or trust: belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
fair•y tale (plural fair•y ta•les)
noun Definitions: 1. story about fairies: a story for children about fairies or other imaginary beings and events, often containing a moral message
sci•ence (plural sci•ences)
noun Definitions: 1. study of physical world: the study of the physical and natural world and phenomena, especially by using systematic observation and experiment
truth (plural truths)
noun Definitions: 1. something factual: the thing that corresponds to fact or reality
re•al•i•ty (plural re•al•i•ties)
noun Definitions: 1. real existence: actual being or existence, as opposed to an imaginary, idealized, or false nature
Notice a pattern?
Religion is a faith which precludes thinking.
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Aineo wrote:
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Girolamo, if the best you can do is truncat a post to form an argument then I suggest you research what science can and cannot do since I simply shared what a man with a Ph.D. in geology posted.
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I suggest you research what gods can/cannot do. How do you know this guy has a Ph.D. in geology? Oh, that is right, you read it somewhere. So, the internet is kinda like the bible to you, whatever is written is “truth” to be accepted on “faith” because someone claims to be the all mighty “geologist/god/whatever”.
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Aineo wrote:
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Girolamo, if the best you can do is truncat a post to form an argument then I suggest you research what science can and cannot do since I simply shared what a man with a Ph.D. in geology posted.
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Holier than thou indeed, let he who is without sin cast the first flame.
Aineo, I suggest you research what gods can/cannot do.
How do you know that this guy has a Ph.D. in geology? Oh, that is right, you read it somewhere. So, the internet is kinda like the bible to you, whatever is written is “truth” to be accepted on “faith” because someone who claims to be the all mighty “geologist/god/whatever” says so. I am really in awe now. Excuse me while I vomit. Religious vomit that is.
There I did not truncate that post. Not that you did not do the same thing to JusticeKnight’s original post to form your argument. But then, of course, that is just hypocrisy. And, being of a religious nature, you can be forgiven for also being of a hypocritical nature also.
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Aineo wrote:
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Girolamo, you can respond to any post I make, but taking a post and editing it to say what you want it to say is deceptive.
As to the media link that you posted, find me a source from a scientist and not the media … Blah, Blah, Blah
Evolution from one phylum to another phylum has not been observed or tested, therefore evolution is not a scientifically empirically proven fact.
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Oops, sorry Aineo, edited your post. I guess I am just being deceptive. However, I suggest that before you accuse another of being deceptive, you take a look at how you are deceiving yourself.
Aineo, As to the link that you posted, find me a source from a sight which does actually refutes evolution, not hint at its existence:
From http://www.noahsarkzoofarm.co.uk :
Plants and animals would have looked very different. This is because the original kinds were the ancestors of creatures that over time increased in variety. The ancestor of the modern lion, for example, would also have been the ancestor of the tiger, the leopard and the domestic cat.
That there sounded a little bit evolutionist to me.
You just had to say something that I could agree with didn’t you. You are right, evolution is not a fact. It is a theory. A solid theory, but just a theory none the less.
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tuppence wrote:
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"I believe in evolution" -- good title. For it is only a belief that you have. There is no evidence at all to back it up. We see speciation within type (generally this can be considered to be at the family or sub-family level), but the only 'evidence' evolution can come up with is the declaration of this or that person that it had to happen and the further declaration of others regarding various fossils which are said to be transitional forms. There is no actual evidence that they are transitional forms, but there is the need in evolution for transitional forms, therefore some fossils are simply declared to be transitional forms.
It gets interesting...
As far as gravity goes, we all live with it, but so far none of us knows quite what it is!
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"I believe in god" – would be a better title. For it is only a belief that the religious are capable of having. There is no evidence at all to back god up. We see no effect of god within the world (generally this can be considered to be on the terrestrial or universal scale), and the only 'evidence' religion can come up with is the declaration of this or that person that god has to exist and the further declaration of others regarding various natural occurrences which are said to be miracles. There is no actual evidence that miracles occur, but there is the need in religion for miracles, therefore some natural occurrences are simply declared to be miracles.
It gets less and less interesting...
As far as gravity goes, we all live with it, and only have scientific theory to explain what it is!
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I serve I AM wrote:
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Every other animal that has "evolved", the older speices becomes extint, as part of the evolutionary process, according to science. Example- Mammoth to elephant. The mammoth came from the elephant over time, as the mammoth changed, according to evolution. Hoever, if we came from "apes", why are we still here then? I'll tell you why you don't understand that God is greater than science. God tells us that "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men." God is smarter than all of science will ever be. We want to know for a fact that we can see, and science tries to give us that. However, I have a fact that i can feel. God gives me that.
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God can't fix your broken heart until he has all the pieces.
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You are simply wrong (unless of course you have faith that you are correct, then, at least from a religious point of view, you are). The mammoth and the elephant may share a common ancestor, true, the one did not give rise to the other however. The mammoth was contemporary with the modern elephant. The mammoth became extinct between 4-7 thousand years ago. Thus, mammoth extinction predated Christ’s extinction by a mere 2-9 thousand years. We did not “come” from apes, and nobody besides those who bask in religious ignorance has ever suggested this. Apes and man both share a common ancestor. Apes are contemporary to humans. Because one is here, that does not spell the doom of the other. Religion is indeed the opiate of the masses.
What you said was something just bizarre.
Check this out
Christ was god’s son, and god was Christ’s ancestor. Or, if you will, Christ was the evolution of god. So when Christ was created, god had to die. Thus if god is dead then why can’t there be evolution. (yes I know this is just babble but I just had to…)
And now I will tell you why there is no god:
1. If god were all knowing, god would know if we were going to hell.
2. If god were all powerful, god would be able to keep us from going to hell.
3. If god were all caring, god would not let us go to hell.
The above are mutually exclusive statements. All three cannot coexist.
Either god does not know where we are going, or god is lacking in the power to stop us from going to hell, or he just doesn’t care. I, for one, can think of a power which is greater.
This is an argument based on logic and, unfortunately, the only thing god can provide is fuzzy logic.
fuzz•y log•ic
noun Definitions: logic allowing for imprecision: logic that allows for imprecise or ambiguous answers to questions, forming the basis of computer programming designed to mimic human intelligence
Religion cannot control your eggshell mind until you give god all the pieces.
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