Verses can be interpreted in different ways, Aineo. Those verses are obvious to me and many others. My whole argument on this thread has been consistent and well supported by scripture. I've explain Phillipians 2 already. I interpreted it with support of the Bible the same way that Christians have throughout the ages, and answered your questions. If you disagree with me, then okay. What do you think about this verse?
Hebrews 2:
1 In times past, God spoke in partial and various ways to our ancestors through the prophets;
2 in these last days, he spoke to us through a son, whom he made heir of all things and through whom he created the universe,
Further support that Jesus is a preexistent being. A mere predetermiend plan couldn't have created the universe.
In the NT, Jesus tells us that He, Himself as a being, came down from Heaven and that He is the bread of Life. Is He really an idea? Jesus tells us that He will go back to a state of Glory that He was in. Jesus as a man was glorified in the sense that we all know Him and worship Him now. He was hidden from us before He fulilled the prophecy.
You are the only one ripping scripture apart, to disprove what is so evident. I have only put the pieces together, to form a coherent, supported belief that Jesus is a preexistent being.
Saying that Jesus is our perfect gift also doesn't imply that He didn't as an entity descend from Heaven. Because verses just keep on supporting Jesus as a preexistent being.
John 3:31-32
The one who comes from above is above all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all).
32 He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony.
Jesus was a preexistent being who sees and hears what was going on in Heaven, and has intimately knows the Father and all things heavenly. I'm sorry, but your idea that Jesus was merely a predetermined plan just ain't supported. All that was is predetermiend by God, I'm not denying that, but there's alot more too the whole picture of Jesus.