Quran and Bible debateVerse 5:116 :: QuranQuran
When Mohammad(pbuh) was a merchant, he was known as "Al-Amin" meaning the trustworthy, he was known for his honesty, and compassion. Before he was a prophet, he adopted a kid named Zayd, and named Zayd after himself, but when he became a prophet, he was told to change Zayd's name back to his original one, so why would a man, who supposedly wanted power, wealth, make rules against himself?, there is another case of this, once he was giving a speech when a blind man came to listen, Mohammad(pbuh) overlooked the blind man and was talking while looking at others, just for this, a revelation came to him, telling him why he did that? so you see, Mohammad(pbuh) would not just make rules against himself if he wanted wealth and power. And I dont see why the Quran having similarities with the Bible has anything to do with him plagarizing it, because we believe that Mohammad(pbuh) was sent by the same God that sent Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh). And even if he did talk to scholars, how will that lead Mohammad(pbuh) to come up with these advanced scientific verses.
I dont see why he couldnt have gotten the "expanding theory" verse from God, just because it was in more than one scripture, doesnt mean anything, because Mohammad(pbuh) was being taught by the same God, that had sent the earlier scriptures, so I am sure you would expect some similarities.
I know that the Quran disagrees and contradicts the Bible, even the different gospels contradict each other, so how do you know which one is the right one? My proof that Bible has been changed is well first of all the Quran, second, we dont have the original Bible, and third, the authors of the gospels of Luke, Matthew, John, are unknown, I know that many people write in a third person view, but these gospels are different, instead of saying "me" or "I" they are addressing themselves by their name, I know that wasnt the style back then because the gospel of peter is not like that and the gospel of paul is not like that.
In the Quran, it is prohibited to fight for revenge, fame, or glory. the only reason you can fight is for self-defense. the verse you just told me about the Quran is not instructions for Muslims to kill everyone, come on, if that was the case, half the world would have been dead by now. those verses are saying to defend yourselves, It doesnt say to kill innocent people, you have to read other verses along with these ones to understand this one better: for example:
Noble Verse 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..."
Let there be no compulsion (forcing others) in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"
[60] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.
[60] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.
Hadiths:
Inscribed on the hilt of the Prophet's sword: 'Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself.'
A perfect Muslim is one from whose tongue and hands mankind is safe, and a true emigrant [muhajir] is one who flees from what God has forbidden.
It is unworthy of a Mu'min [a person with faith] to injure people's reputations; and it is unworthy to curse any one; and it is unworthy to abuse any one; and it is unworthy of a Mu'min to talk arrogantly.
What actions are most excellent? To gladden the heart of a human being, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the wrongs of the injured.
Of course the Quran says that God doesnt have a son, because God is way above that, it is the same in Judaism, or Old Testament.
So tell me, how do you know if those apocryphal books are not the real words of Jesus(pbuh), why just choose the gospels that suit your needs, why not the others, why are they rejected as truth? who gave you the authority to choose which one is true or which one is false?, all the 26000 manuscripts contradict each other, so how does that prove anything, one says Jesus(pbuh) did this, while the other says differently, so how do you know which one to choose?
And we still have the Uthmanic Quran, it is written in very bold letters and it is about 1-2 feet tall, and wide.
tell me, how can you use the science of manuscripts to prove that the Bible has not been changed?
Have you forgotten about, the Crusades, the burning of people alive, if they had any heretic ideas.
The rapidity of the spread of Islam, noticeably through extensive provinces which had been long Christian, is a crucial fact of history.. The sublime rhetoric of the Quran, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy". (M. Pickhtal, The Meaning of the Glorious Quran, p.vii)
This, and the urgency of the simple message carried, holds the key to the mystery of one of the greatest catalysms in the history of religion. When all military, political and economic factors have been exhausted, the religious impulse must still be recognized as the most vital and enduring.
As to the effects of Islam when first embraced by a Negro tribe, can there, when viewed as a whole, be any reasonable doubt? Polytheism disappears almost instantaneously; sorcery, with its attendant evils, gradually dies away; human sacrifice becomes a thing of the past. The general moral elevation is most marked; the natives begin for the first time in their history to dress, and that neatly. Squalid filth is replaced by some approach to personal cleanliness; hospitality becomes a religious duty; drunkenness, instead of the rule, becomes a comparatively rare exception...chastity is looked upon as one of the highest, and becomes, in fact, one of the commoner virtues. It is idleness that henceforward degrades, and industry that elevates, instead of the reverse. Offences are henceforward measured by a written code instead of the arbitrary caprice of a chieftain - a step, as everyone will admit, of vast importance in the progress of a tribe. The Mosque gives an idea of architecture at all events higher than any the Negro has yet had. A thirst for literature is created and that for works of science and philosophy as well as for commentaries on the Quran. (Quoted from Waitz by B. Smith, Muhammad and Muhammadanism, pp.42-43)
The tolerance of Islam is another factor in the spread of Islam. Toynbee praises this tolerance towards the Peoples of the Book after comparing it with the attitude of the Christians towards Muslims and Jews in their lands. (A Historian's Approach to Religion, p.246) T. Link attributes the spread of Islam to the credibility of its principles together with its tolerance, persuasion and other kinds of attractions. (A History of Religion) Makarios, Orthodox Patriorch of Antioch in the seventeenth century, compared the harsh treatment received by the Russians of the Orthodox Church at the hands of the Roman Catholic Poles with the tolerant attitude towards Orthodox christians shown by the Ottoman Government and prayed for the Sultans. (T. Link, A History of Religion)
This is not the only example of preference by the followers of the religions for Muslim rule over that of their own co-religionists. The Orthodox Christians of Byzantium openly expressed their preference for the Ottoman turban in Istanbul to the hats of the Catholic cardinals. Elisee Reclus, the French traveller of the nineteenth century, wrote that the Muslim Turks allowed all the followers of different religions to perform their religious duties and rituals, and that the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Sultan were more free to live their own lives than the Christians who lived in the lands under the rule of any rival Christian sect. (Nouvelle Geographie Universelle, Vol. IX) Popescu Ciocanel pays tribute to the Muslim Turks by stating that it was luck for the Romanian people that they lived under the government of the Turks rather than the domination of the Russians and Austrians. Otherwise, he points out, "no trace of the Romanian nation would have remained." (La Crise de L'Orient}
The Muslim's attitude towards the people of the conquered lands is quite clear in the instructions given by the rightly-guided Caliphs:
Always keep fear of God in your mind; remember that you cannot afford to do anything without His grace. Do not forget that Islam is a mission of peace and love. Keep the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) before you as a model of bravery and piety. Do not destroy fruit-trees nor fertile fields in your paths. Be just, and spare the feelings of the vanguished. Respect all religious persons who live in hermitages or convents and spare their edifices. Do not kill civilians. Do not outrage the chastity of women and the honour of the conquered. Do not harm old people and children. Do not accept any gifts from the civil population of any place. Do not billet your soldiers or officers in the houses of civilians. Do not forget to perform your daily prayers. Fear God. Remember that death will inevitably come to everyone of you some time or other, even if you are thousands of miles away from a battle field; therefore be always ready to face death. (Andrew Miller, Church History; Ali Ibn Abi Talib, Nahj al-Balagha)
A historical episode which Balazuri, a famous Muslim historian, tells about how pleased the native peoples were with their Muslim conquerors is of great significance:
When Heraclius massed his troops against the Muslims, and the Muslims heard that they were coming to meet them, they refunded the inhabitants of Hims the tribute they had taken from them, saying: "We are too busy to support and protect you. Take care of yourselves." But the people of Hims replied: "We like your rule and justice far better than the state of oppression and tyranny in which we were. The army of Heraclius we shall indeed, with your help, repulse from the city." The Jews rose and said: "We swear by the Torah, no governor of Heraclius shall enter the city of Hims unless we are first vanguished and exhausted." Saying this, they closed the gates of the city and guarded them. The inhabitants of other cities - Christians and Jews- that had been capitulated did the same. When by God's help the unbelievers were defeated and Muslims won, they opened the gates of their cities, went out with the singers and players of music, and paid the tribute. (Futuh al-Buldan)
thank you.
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