This is the continuation of a discussion from a thread on a different subject:
RomeSweetHome wrote:Huldah Wrote:
No. Define what you mean by 'hell' and I'll tell you what we deny.
Hell is a place of everlasting punishment, a place of misery, torment, and wickedness, a place of turmoil, destruction and unquenchable fire.
Revelation 14:10
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he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone i
n the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb".
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RomeSweetHome wrote:Huldah wrote:So you believe that Rev 14.10 is describing Hell? Have you read the context? Again, I'm prepared to discuss this further with you in another thread.
The Bible mentions Hell 162 times in the New Testament alone, would you like another verse?
Firstly, the Bible may use the word Hell 162 times in the New Testament, but that does not mean that the Bible teaches the
concept of Hell which the mainstream church holds - that of
a fiery underworld entered by the wicked upon death. It is the actual
meaning of the word
'hell', and the meanings of the
words it was translated from that count, not the amount of times that it appears.
Secondly, Revelation 14.10 has to be understood correctly in it's context:
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Verse 10 is describing the outpouring of wrath upon those who receive the mark of the beast. The torment happens in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb. It is not describing a fiery underworld which the wicked supposedly enter upon their death, this may be seen from the fact that it doesn't mention death at this stage, and talks of them having no rest,
day or night.