ArchivedLindabee2s discussion with me on religious topics.Ok. That statement is fair enough only because obviously MOST heterosexual couples procreate. At least I do believe so...But since it is not the ONLY approved heterosexual function of marriage, it would be hypocritical to use the "same sex couples can't breed" argument as a reason to say it's wrong. Yes, I understand all this. But this is RELIGIOUS belief. That's fine for your churches. It's fine for your priests and ministers to observe. It's NOT fine to force secular marriage to be bound by what Christians believe. That would be giving them MORE rights than any other creed or lack thereof. It's ironic that many people cannot see that it's a simple equal rights issue from the homosexual side as to simply having the freedom to marry the same sex partner of their consensual choice. IN a civil marriage. Favoring a religiously based belief that it is "wrong" with no other proof behind it then scattered pieces of scripture, would be a TOTALLY biased decision that would be directly contravening the separation of religion and state. THAT'S the bottom line. Now we're going a little too over the top here....as just ONE example you couldn't possibly suggest someone who had a hysterectomy for whatever reason, could possibly breed again? This is again a religious belief and it's not good enough for atheist. Not to mention other religions. Why should your beliefs be more important then their feelings on what is right or wrong? This is an excellent (however unintended) theory for homosexuals. Maybe they are BORN to adopt and help out the rearing of children. Some have postulated this before... And as an excellent case in point, why don't you see the difficulty this family is having because of religious interference? What a wonderful thing to do to the children involved: :evil: http://www.lethimstay.com/ I'm happy you feel the way you do about the other issues, but I hope you eventually feel different about the last two. Consequently, that quote is another example of Biblical scripture not bourne out by truth. There are countless people raised in even the most fundamentalist homes, learning "good" morals. Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses come to mind particularly...but even Catholic and every other denominations have had people that later on reject religion and "depart" from it. Although the quote is rooted in the biological knowledge that young children are FAR more impressionable and so the imprinting such a dogmatism has on them is much more intense and lasting than something learned as an adult. It's one of the reason so many adults go through year of anxiety and guilt over perfectly neutral issues like masturbation. The first part is true. But it's a belief system. The second is TOTALLY false. You just cannot "become" homosexual. You truly do not know enough about the issue or you would never have made such a blunder as to say something no serious medical researcher in the world would ever corroborate. The MOST that would happen is that they would be more inclined to experiment. This will ultimately not make any difference to their preference. Kids do it all the time NOW in hetero families. Homosexual play between young kids is extremely common, but it never lasts except for the homosexuals. So unless you believe that any kind of homosexuality practiced is a terrible thing, (which of course, you do), it will be a moot point as to the childs ultimate orientation. And coming from a perspective other than a religious one, it doesn't matter. It's morally neutral. Of course environment matters. It matters on physical and mental health and stability, and acceptance of however the child is manifesting. The "best" environment is one of love. How that is given to them, doesn't matter. A same-sex couple can be just as loving as a hetero couple. AND there are many gay couples who want to, and DO, raise their children in religion. Of course they have to be of a liberal stance on interpreting it I would assume, but if that's what they want to do...? That's their business. The point is that the facts show children raised by same-sex couples are equal in all respects to children with hetero's. There is no demonstrable diffference in any of the things that matter. You can be CERTAIN fundamentalists would be trumpeting the studies like Gabriel's horn if there were. I didn't say it didn't mean it. I forget the context I used it in, and I can't seem to find my line.... They have instigated the bebate, but they are protesting a law that is UNFAIR. That's the necessary way to effect change. Yes, you ARE being forced to take a stand. What is sad is that you still don't seem to see that by doing so you are deliberately influencing the laws of a government that is supposed to be based on equal rights and justice for all with the demand that religious beliefs, or Appeal to Tradition fallacy, are more important. So to hell with the atheists and heathens that don't agree. You don't want them having the right to marry in your church, OR by a civil ceremony that is not the church's business. It's really sad. *sigh*. |
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