Christian/Muslim ThreadsMiracle of Quran...excuseless....what do u have to say?The Roman Conquest of Persia "The Roman Empire has been defeated - in a land close by: But they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious - within a few years." Sura. 30:2-4 - According to Yusuf Ali the Arabic word for "a few years," Bidh'un, signifies a period of three to nine years; yet according to the historical records the victory did not come until nearly fourteen years later. The Persians defeated the Byzantines and captured Jerusalem at about A.D. 614 or 615. The Byzantine counter-offensive did not begin until A.D. 622 and the victory was not complete until A.D. 628, making it a period between thirteen to fourteen years, not "a few years" alluded to in the Quran. - The original Quranic text had no vowel marks. Thus, the Arabic word Sayaghlibuna, "they shall defeat," could easily have been rendered, with the change of two vowels, Sayughlabuna, "they (i.e. Romans) shall be defeated." Since vowel points were not added until some time after this event, it could have been quite possible for a scribe to deliberately tamper with the text, forcing it to become a prophetic statement. wich many texts in the quran proved them? judging current world events of that time could of been easily picked up by Muhammed... certainly the Persians weren't surprised that the Romans were gonna attack them... in a same way as how the Persians knew, probably the whole of arabia knew as well judging by the tension between the two empires... and defeated by a land near by is so vague that this would come true anytime, if the romans were defeated in Babylon or in Egypt, the supposed 'prophecy' would still be true, since it's so vague. The Quran will be perverted at any time with fixed miracles and that is the Mullah's will. yeah, you must be a scholar in arab literature to understand the quran, so much for a simple book. plus the 666 is a sign given for us as a warning of the comming end times and the person that will dominate it... the number 19 is a mid 20th century invented miracle by Dr. Khalifa wich doesn't even make sence alltough Muslims try and do their best by making something from it. When we rewrite the English transcription of the Arabic, eliminating the vowels which aren't written, but only understood, the phrase looks like this: "BSM ALLH ALRHMN ALRHIM", which counts out to 19 letters. However, there is a little mark in Arabic grammar called a "shadda" which means that the letter underneath the mark is doubled. "ALLaH" or "ALLH" has a "shadda" on the second "L", and could (should?) be written "ALLLH" which would then make 20 letters. Accidental? No we don't believe their are any miracles in it, period. All you do is repeating nitpicking of verses and picking verses out of it's context and giving it a prophecy or a scientific miracle... when in fact you insult your own religion and prophet because what he ment was way more insulting to science, human life and the bible then what you think he said. acctually God has a relation with us, God is a personal God, and he guides us individually trough the holy spirit. But your not convincing, your claims of miracles in the quran are dubvious and open for interpretation and context... |
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