ArchivedWho was the Rock?Aieno Wrote: The Catholic clergy are mere men yes, but the difference between them and you is that they are LEARNED men, you are not. You always come back to many subjects that we have already discussed. Historical facts show that the oldest church in the world is the Catholic church, however protestant denominations are the inventions of men, men like Luther, Calvin and Henry the VIII invented and created your doctrines and caused a spilt with Rome. Your assumption that Constantine "created" or "invented" Catholicism is futile. Who cares who might have replaced who? most of the Byzantine Christians are ethier Catholic or Orthodox, no Byzantine protestants my friend. If John Paul II understood real history, why did he remain a Catholic? according to you HISTORICAL facts show that the Catholic Church is an invention of men? Aieno Wrote: This "apostate" church is better then any Protestant church will ever be, because all protestant churches are made up with the thoughts and biblical interpretations of men like Luther and Calvin. Aieno Wrote:
Well at least you admit that Jesus said "rock" and not "small stone" as many of your fellow protestants probably force themselves to believe, in order that they can deny that Peter is the "rock" that Jesus built his church on and thus reject Catholicism. Peter was the first Apostle selected by Christ. Peter spoke for the Apostles (Acts 5:29). Peter delivered the first Church sermon (Acts 2:14-16). Peter made the first Apostolic visit to the churches (Acts 9:31). Peter was first to receive the Gentiles (Acts 11:1-3). Peter cast out the first heretic, Simon Magus (Acts 8:20). Peter acted as judge in the case of Ananias and Saphira; when he inflicted the first ecclesiastical penalty (Acts 5:1-6). Peter presided on the occasion when the vacancy among the Apostles was filled, caused by the death of Judas. Peter presided at the first Church Council meeting (Jerusalem) (Acts 15). Peter's word settled the dispute at the Church Council (Acts15). Peter performed the first miracle (Acts 5:16) This is but a few, Peters surpemecy over the other apostels is but to clear IN scripture, if only you would take a second to look. There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the Apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to to-day and forever both lives and judges in his successors. The holy and most blessed Pope Coelestine, according to due order, is his successor and holds his place." Philip, presbyter, legate of the Apostolic See at the Council of Ephesus, AD 431 ("Jesus, Peter & the Keys" by Scott Butler, Norman Dahlgren and David Hess pg 258) Would you like quotes from early church fathers regarding St Peter? I would rather believe them then Henry, Calvin or you as a matter of FACT. Peace |
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