Aineo,
If Hagin Jr. specifically stated that he was ministering so that people could give more money, I can understand why that would give you concern. I'll also grant you immediately that you've not presumed to judge the man's intent, but that you are simply taking him at his word. So - per your further clarification, I see no fault in either point.
Remember, though, you also asserted that "obtaining money by fraud is immoral". I agree. However, by what authority to you claim Hagin Jr. is engaged in fraud? You've certainly provided no evidence in this thread, and I believe that was clearly your implication.
(Surely you'll concede that an unsubstantiated accusation against a brother or sister in the Lord is also immoral.)
If Hagin Jr believes it is both good and the Lord's will for God's people to give, and furthermore believes we should stir up one another to good works, I don't see why you'd necessarily find fault.
Of course, any type of manipulation is wrong and I personally believe it would be wrong to take for granted or assume that the people present at that service should always give through Hagin's church... for what if the Lord led them to give, but to give elsewhere?
You might notice in the course of our discussion, however, that we've never moved into discussing exactly *why* you think that praying over someone's checkbook is bad. I don't have a problem with it at face value - it depends on the spirit of the prayer. If a few brothers or sisters do so simply as a symbolic gesture of agreement for the Lord's assistance in finances (notice I'm not personalizing the issue right now relative to Hagin Jr, which is what I believe is the fair way to evaluate the topic objectively)... then what is the problem?
Now - just a general observation:
I just went through this thread to find each time that you've quoted me, and unless I missed something, you've been in error each time. Here's a list of your misquotes regarding my posts:
You claimed that I stated "we are not to judge professed Christians". I did not - I specifically said I don't believe that we are to judge the "intent" of another brother's "heart".
"You state that I do not know the intentions of Hagin Jr. when he prayed over checkbooks, and that sir is incorrect since he specifically stated during the program that this was his intent. "
Again - I was referring to the intent of his heart. Remember, you implied earlier that he was involved in "fraud". This means you claim to know with certainty that his intent was to deceive the brethren. As I've said over and over, I don't believe you have any authority to make that claim.
You may take issue with his doctrine or actions, Aineo, but please don't hurl unsubstantiated accusations at a minister of the gospel.
More recently in the thread, you said of me:
"What is interesting concerning your defense of Mrs. Meyers is you took a part of what she wrote out of context. Jesus was not 'born again'."
First of all, my "intent" is to defend the truth - not Mrs. Meyers, per se. But, clearly, I've never once in this thread stated that "Jesus was born again". Re-read the thread.
Moreover, the quote I took was directly out of "(Omega's)" post - so are you claiming (Omega) took the quote out of context?
Just food for thought, Aineo - if you've managed to consistently misquote or misinterpret me in this very thread - perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to trust in your own judgment on other matters.