Christian/Muslim ThreadsContradictions in the QuranYou are right. my mistake. I have some observations on your response. While you exhibit the importance you attach to miracles, it is interesting that you make no mention of the Message, for both prophets. This, I guess, is an implication of the underleying mentality of Christians in general. For you, what matters is supernatural signs and prophecies, the strength of the Message is of secondary importance. Your attitude implies as if we humans have no corresponding faculties that can get and validate the Message of God. Miracles are important but will they alone really help? Let's test. A prophet can show a miracle. Yet, accepting it being a miracle, but not a supernatural ability (there are such people who can show such) requires believing in his prophethood. And that requires that you are open to God's message in the first place. You know, people asked for miracles to validate the prophethood, but when they were shown they turned back. There were many disbelievers of prophets despite their miracles. Miracles had effect only on those who were eager to accept the Message. So, what matters is the Message and openness to it, miracles are of secondary importance. Prophets had miracles to support their cause, but not everyone around them believed. As a matter of fact, while you mention miracles, I really doubt that you would accept Jesus if he came with something hard to digest for you. So going back to my original point, you would really have hardship accepting him being God (I say this for the sake of the issue, he would not claim such thing). Perhaps you would consider that an insult to your human faculties, because despite your claim you would normally look at the message first, not to the supernaturalities. To summarize, miracles have supplemantary value to the Message and they are not decisive. If they were decisive, that would contrast the meaning of being put to test. The Message precedes miracles. From this point of view, Christians' strong emphasis on miracles (which we also accept) and prophecies (interpreted to desire) are attempts of rationalisation of their current positions. Thats the only thing they can rely on, because the religion has no effective message or strong theology. My second observation is about the ad hominem remarks you make about Muhammad, while omitting the underlying mentality and motives behind his actions. I would put it this way, emphasizing the Message he brings. If he came to preach us One God, and called us to justice and morality, and acted in the way he preached, and fought himself against injustices I would accept him; because I can get his message through my faculties given by God, and I can know he comes from God, as he brings the Word of God, Qur'an. see you all on monday... |
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