Christian/Muslim ThreadsContradictions in the QuranLoki wrote:1) with you all the sudden believing in free will and not in predestination to suit an explenation.
We have not all of a sudden believed in free will. This is an Islamic fundamental teaching. We believe in Limited Free Will as no human being has absoulte free will whereas G-d alone has absolute free will.
As for predistination, we are going to bump head here on this subject which has even been a controvesy among religions to define. If science can barely understand TIME then how are we to properly explain predistination. To be technical we believe in Taqdeer which means ordainment or preordainment. This word has been misnomered as "predestination"
acctually it is not a controversy among religions to define:
Christianity and Judaism teach free will. only Calvanism, Some ancient heresies and Islam teach predation... the christian disputes about predestination are almost only with calvinists.
free will in christianity is seen, "as God's knows all the results of what we have chosen, yet the choices remain with us, God's will in christianity, is doing Jesus' works trough the holy spirit, those that do not are doing man's will" end of story, free will defined in one sentence! can't be that hard.
Islam is confused about predestination and free will because it contradicts himself all the time, and that is my friend the only reason why you have a hard time explaining Islam's perspective on free will. That for a clear religion! shame on Allah!
Loki wrote:2) and the pharaoh who lays in Cairo who muslims believe is the one from Moses' time is that of the Pharaoh Merneptah not of Ramses II. So again like many times before, worshipping a straw man as a miracle. (as if the balseming of a pharaoh in Egypt would of been that hard to predict, moreso it was a mere statement of an assured historical event)
'cause Merneptah's forces went up to "Canaan" to attack "Israel," which is stated in the last section of the Mernepath Stele. Some of the best scholarship today indicates that the exodus under Moses was some 50 years earlier than Merneptah, and that the pharaoh of Moses' day was actually Ramesses II
The Stele has already been marked as being not trust worthy of an account. Christian scholars even admitted this. The Stele also speaks negative about Hebrews, do you believe it ?
Who says the Stele is not "thrustworthy" quote me your scholars who say the mernepath stele is 'irrelevant historical garbage'. And The Mernepath stele is Egyptian i acctually expect them to talk negative about hebrews!
Merneptah I
(1234?-1214 B.C.), the fourth king of the nineteenth Egyptian dynasty and the supposed Pharaoh of the Exodus, was the thirteenth son of Rameses II whom he succeeded in or about 1234 B.C., being then long past middle age. His rule lasted some twenty years, during which he carried on considerable building operations in the Delta, and notably at Tanis (Zoan), where, indeed as elsewhere, he usurped a number of some of his predecessors' monuments. His original works are comparatively few and insignificant. His name is constantly found on the monuments of his father; it appears also in Nubia, and in the old quarries in the Sinaitic peninsula. In his third year, he quelled a revolt to the northeast, possibly excited by the Hittites' and in his fifth year, he repelled an invasion of Egypt by the Lybians and their allies, which victory is boastfully described on a black granite stela found in 1896 in his funeral temple at Thebes, and bearing the earliest known reference to Israel. He is commonly regarded as the Pharaoh of the Exodus on the following grounds.
On the one hand, Egyptian discoveries have shown that Rameses II founded the cities represented in Exodus., i, 11, as built by the oppressed Hebrews, and therefore point to him as the Pharaoh of the oppression.
On the other hand, Ex., ii, 23; iv, 19, imply that the immediate successor of that Pharaoh was on the throne when Moses returned to Egypt where he soon delivered his people. Whence it is not unnaturally inferred that Merneptah I, Rameses son and successor, is the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10208b.htm
The Criminal and Enemy Of Alllaah
Where are the HARD CORE FACTS ? Of course there is a man, a french surgeon and scientist who examined Merneptah I's body whose death was by drowning whereas Ramses II. died from old age having Rheumatoid Arthritis.
"six months after the passing of his father Ramses II, Merenptah was brutally assassinated. His House valiantly fought on, but eventually succumbed to the combined forces of those determined to satisfy their own typecasting and take the throne for themselves...
... Examination of Menerptah's mummy revealed multiple traumas to the head, one to the clavicle on the right side, a four-inch hole in the abdomen, and a shattered right forearm."
-- http://www.domainofman.com/book/chap-32.html
now what? H20
and according to wikipedia, the mernepath stele is not seen as untrustworthy but as debateable!
"There are two debates by scholars surrounding the details of the Stele.
1) There is disagreement over whether or not Merneptah actually did campaign in Canaan and didn't just merely recount what was there
2) The other debate surrounds "Israel". As the stele mentions just one line about Israel it is difficult for scholars to draw any information at all about Israel."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele
But neither of those debates matter now since Merneptah didn't drown in the first place. All legs you had to stand on, are gone... you're on the floor again H20.
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