Christian/Muslim ThreadsHistory of Islamic TerrorKai writes:
Fdjohan posted an article from:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5195/index.html
First of all let me point out that the articles you quoted has been posted by Muslims here on this forum at least five times, and usually plagiarized.
However, and I shall get back to this later, the particular article signifies nothing of relevance to the subject of this post.
Sure this post presents historical elements about atrocities, but if you look at my post again, you will notice that I laid a foundational ground, which included and resulted from the teachings of Islam, the Koran and the Hadith.
The article you posted simply revealed historical atrocities of which many were done in the name of Christianity or by individuals whose culture was Christianized. Nothing in the article indicated that the particular acts were grounded in the teachings of the Gospels or the New Testament Epistles.
Christians deplore and feel disgusted over all atrocities especially those committed by so called Christians or in the name Christianity.
What do I mean by this?
Well, the New Testament nowhere permits or even encourages invasion, killing, war, taking slaves, rape; in fact original Christianity is not even political, in the sense that it rule over people.
Hence true Christianity must be understood first and most from its text rather from history. Which implies that UNLESS HISTORY PRESENTS the CHRISTIANTIY OF THE TEXT, we are NOT LOOKING AT CHRISTIANITY AT ALL.
Pretty much as stating that Muslims worship Shiva, just because some
Muslims in history may have practiced such a trend!
Matthew 5 says:
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
How does this passage resemble the history you just posted?
The Christian standard is:
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26: 52).
In fact someone who murders has proven that he is not of the faith:
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him (1 John 3: 15).
The Bible makes it very clear that not all who claim to be Christians are Christians; who they really are can be determined from their life; as
Christianity is a change of life:
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come (2 Cor.5: 17)!
Jesus stated therefore that the true Christians are those who do the Father’s will:
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers! (Matthew 7: 21-22)'
What is doing the Father’s will? Invading, killing, imposing the Christendom by force?
Not really!
Jesus continues:
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life (Matthew 25: 31-46)."
A so called Christian or a Christian nation who refrains from the Christian standard IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED to present TRUE CHRISTIANITY:
3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did (1 John 2: 3-5).
7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
16This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 19This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.
21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us (1 John 3: 3-24).
Christians were never told to invade, enforce or impose but to preach, teach, live and testify:
18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age (Matthew 28: 18-20)."
Hence I CHALLENGE YOU to point out WHERE in the New Testament any of such atrocities are permitted.
Any historian knows that Christianity in the fourth and fifth century was highly distorted (not in its books) politically. Virtually since Christianity became the trend, the multitudes entered Christianity without conversion or any proper understanding of its fundamentals.
In the fourth and fifth century and beyond as nations became Christianized, there was no emphasis on holy living, discipleship or following Christ. Through out the centuries this led to devastation, as the multitudes were mislead, bound by superstition, the papal order, ridiculous politic.
People were indeed killed, including those who followed the truth.
Hence there is a significant difference between Biblical and true Christianity and the fallacy of the historical state church and the influence of Christendom, or Christianized communities.
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