ArchivedMy Recent response to and unkown Author.Quote: Ok so the new has to be verfied by the old standards, and if it disagrees with it, then its false. First thing, I will ask you to establish your doctrine of Trinity, Salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. There was no Jew on the entire planet earth who beleived in these doctrines before the popes started to kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill in the name of Christ to convvert them to Christianity. These doctrines where forced down the trought of the people, who rejected them vigrously, and those who opposed the sword of the armies of popes where obliberated from the earth. Jew beleived in Father shall not bear the wrong doing to the son nor shall the son bear the wrong doing to the father, soul that sineth it shall die, but if the sinner repents (from his sins) then he shall not die he shall surely live. Thats the jewish theology, they where never at any stage expectting a son of god to come and give them salvation. Trinity, why dont you prove to me where moses said that god is father son an the holy ghost. Jews never beleived in the devine trickery, thats no where to be found in the old Testament. And even in the New Testament the verse has been proven that it was a forgery inserted by some scribe in the verse, which now in most bible is nor present,. In NIv Bible the verse "For there are three that bear record in heaven has been removed. You cant even prove your own doctrine from your own Bible and dare to ask a muslim to prove his doctrine from your bible. And thanks to Allah we can prove our doctrine from your Bible. Jesus was aksed what is the first commandment of all, he siad "Hear Israel your lord God is One." He didnt says father son and the Trinity, he repeated word for word, the words of Moses. He repeated the Unity of God has proclaimed by Moses, and has proclaimed by the Jews, he didnt say "Hear Israel, your lord God is Father son and the Holy ghost." He beleived in the God-version of Jews and not god-version or Christians. First thing you will need to prove your own doctrine from the Bible, specifically from the Jewish Bible then I will want you to prove to why Christianity is like Hinduism. Since Hinduism came some 8000 years before Christianity, therefore you will have to prove your own religions authenticity, by comparing it to the well established facts of Hindu's. And if your saviour is not in aggreement with Rama, Krishna, Kali, Hannuman, Seeta, Geeta, Vishnu, and Brahma's incarnations then your Christianity if false, heap of rubbish, nothing, false, garbage, trash, junk, and finaly illogical. And I will like to remind you off "The Fallacy of False Assumptions", and if you have any defence like, oh Hinduism is corrupted, or false, or trash, junk, rubbish, then my answer to your reasoning is that since you can not tally your religion with the well established religions of Judaism Hinduism, and obviously it cant aggree with both in toto, then it is in the same catogery of Hinduism, and Islam is by far to Holy to be compared with Junk and Trash, so I will not even bather to prove Islamic doctrines from the Bible (That dont mean never, just in this section of my response.).
OK, watch me I will not do what you state, no tricks, no twisting words to support my claim, no exagerated commentry, no misquoting, just plain simple Bible quoting. Here I have to prove two things, if i proved the one then I have proved the other. For example if I prove Allah from the Bible then I dont have to prove Quran from the Bible, cause if Allah is proven then Quran is proven by default therefore I dont need to prove Quran (Which I can if I want to). Just like Day proves the existance of Night, thirst proves the existance of Water, in the Same way Allah proves the Allahs' word. But its is a faulty logic, I have to aggree that why I will prove Quran too. I had a debate about the word Allah in the Bible, first the Missionary denied its existance, but against the evidence piling up against his defence he conceeded that Allah is in Bible. Here is the evidence: http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/home/viewtopic ... ight=#5861 Now I have proven Allah from the Bible, but there is a problem, a Christian will argue that well if you proved Allah that does not mean that you have proved Quran, quite rightly so. But that willl be a different story, comming soon! Again I am not going to use any tricks just plain simple bible quoting. In the book of Deutronomy Chapter 18 verse 18, there is a prophesy stating:
Here God is telling Moses that He will raise a prophet from the among the brothers of jews (note not from among the Jews). And god further goes on to say that, that prophet will be like Moses. My stand is that this prophcies was fullfilled in Muhammed (pubh), he was the only man like Moses. Forexample Moses was a king so was Muhammed, Moses was given a book by God so was Muhammed, Moses led a Mirgration of his fallowers from Egypt, to did Muhammed migrated with his fallowers from Mekkah to Medina. Moses was a normal Human being Just like Muhammed, bus Jesus was son of god, Moses was Married so was Muhammed, and, Moses died a natural death, Just like Muhammed, but Jesus was crucified just like an impostor, and he was accursed because of his death on cross. These are fundamental similariies among these two prophets and Jesus does not share any of these fundamentals. But Christians need a straw to raise a objection and then try to argue that once there was a stack of hay. For a more detailed study of this prophesy please visit this site: http://www.ais.org/~maftab/mhdbble. Now the task at hand, refuting the Christian straws. In response to the Ahmed Deedats commentry on the similarities of Moses and Muhammed, the answering-islam team attempted to rebut this article. Here are there few the similiarities they foound in the Bible between Jesus and Moses with my response:
It seems that, either the answering-islam team is ignorant of the fact that the in semetic tradition the child takes the name of the father and also nationality of the Father. Forexample a mix marriage between a white and a Arab the Child will take the fathers nationality and not mothers, since Jesus did not have a Jewish father therefore he is excluded from being the tribe of Israel. Second Moses was not from the tribe of Israel he died in the wilderness before the Jews reached to the promised land, therefore MOses does not become a Jew, cause he never was a Jew. Even if he was a Israelite that still does not prove Jesus was Israelite cause he didnt have a Father who belonged to the tribe of Israel. First problem is that Jesus fled Jeruslem from the cluches of death. Jesus didnt came from Egypt, he returned to his birth country. And the fact is that Moses fled from Egypt with his fallowers and died in half way before getting to the promised land. There is no similarity between Moses and Jesus, just crafti reasoning.
I say that this is a lie, Moses being rich understandable, cause he was in the court of a Egyptian King, but Jesus being rich is a paradox. Absolutely pathatetic attempt to find some relevence to the likeness of Moses. Adam Clarke regarding the phrase "that though he ws rich" says: If Jesus was Christ, as some contend, were only a mere man in what sense could he be said to be rich? His family was poor in Bethelham ; his parents were very poor also ; he himself never possessed any property among men from the stable to the cross ; nor had he any thing to bequeath at his death but his peace. And what way could the poverty of one man make a multitude rich? These are questions, which, on the socinian scheme, can never be answered be satisfactorily." Now finally allegedly son of a Carpenter, yet the answering team says that he had material wealth like Moses, what can be more absord then this! Adam Clarke states that this wealth is spiritual wealth while answering-islam team is reasoning that it was material wealth. Case closed. There are no similarities between Jesus and Moses and the only prophet who fully qualifies to be the prophet like Moses is Muhammed (pbuh) and none else. It has been demonstrated that Christian arguments do not stand firm on the evidence given. And yet the author of the rebuttle quite candily brushed aside the similarites between Muhammed and Moses with these remarks:
Quoted from: http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/muhammad.html And he alledges that Muhammed (pbuh) was indulging his self in wealth while Moses and Jesus didnt. I Challenge this missionary to prove to me where Muhammed built his palace or to give any sort of evidence which proves that he enjoyed the wealth he had accuired. In fact according to the historical accounts Muhammed (pbuh) was the king of entire Arabian peninsula but he didnt have enough food to feed his family he sold his house hold staff to buy food for his family. And yet he had the cheek to hint that my beloved prophet enjoyed wealth. Lana-tu-lillah he a-lal kazeebeen! Now back to the starting point I have proved to you the Prophethood of Muhammed (pbuh) from the Bible. First I proved Allah, then I proved Muhammed Prophethood, now if Allah and Muhammed are proven from the Bible, and both proven truth. Then what remains is the Quran. Now I have to prove that Quran is Muhammeds and then I will prove that if its Muhammeds then its God's. Quran says, Jesus is Christ, Quran says do not Drink, Quran says Jesus was Prophet Of Allah, Quran says the Mother of Jesus was the most virteous Woman on earth unlike the Jews, they said she was protitute. Quran says Jesus performed Miracles, Quran says God is One, Quran says Jesus said I worship Allah, not YHWh Which the bible confirms. Now because it is proven the Allah is the real God, and Muhammed is the true Prophet, and anything that a prophet says will be true, therefore the above is True. Now these truths are found in the Quran, so Quran is truth also. Allah is the truth, proven from the Bible, Muhammed is a true prophet proven from the Bible. Quran is the word of Muhammed, and because he is a true prophet therefore Quran is from Allah This is enough for today I will carry on from the rest tomarrow, its my bed time. Any comments welcome! Ali Was-salam |
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