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My apologies for a much delayed response.
The following should provide some excellent points on the translation of "Mighty God".
>The "Mighty God" translation
>
>"Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 is "El Gibor". This is
>not exactly "Mighty God", but close. "Strong" is
>more correct (but it is different from strong >of
"hazak"). Here both El and Gibor are nouns - this >is
short full spell is "El Hu Gibor".
>
>Anyway "El Gibor" and "Gabriel" are same thing. They
>both mean "Strong God". "Gabriel" is an angel's name
>in the Bible.
>
>The word "Gibor" in Isaiah 9:6 and the word "Gibor"
>of Gabriel have exactly the same root, and they are
>both the same word. The word itself can also be
>translated as "Man of God".
I am glad that you at least know Arabic which is a
sister (Semetic) language to Hebrew which derived from
ancient Arameic.
In Arabic we have names like "Abd Allah" which means
slave of God, and such, but one would never find the
name "Allah Abd" which would mean God is a slave.
To you as an Arab that would be blasphemy.
In the same way is why your argument falls.
You might find many Muslims with the name "Gabbar"(A
Mighty one), but no one would call their son
"Al-Gabbar". You can find Abd-Al-Gabbar(Slave of The
Mighty one), but never The Mighty One since that name
alone belongs to deity.
Remember, Hebrew is similar to Arabic.
>But anyhow, even if "Mighty God" was the right
>translation, it is still just a NAME given to Jesus
>and nothing more.
This is ridiculous. Can you imagine a Muslim giving a
child the name of "Mighty Allah"? Or "Allah
Al-Gabbar"?
Again, I could understand "Abdu-Gabbar", but NEVER
with God as the first.
>It doesn't in anyway prove that he is the creator of
>the Universe. Many people as shown above were given
>the misleading "Godly" titles before Jesus.
Name me one who got the title of God?
>"Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 is "El Gibor". This is
>not exactly "Mighty God", but close. "Strong" is
>more correct (but it is different from strong >of
"hazak"). Here both El and Gibor are nouns - this >is
short full spell is "El Hu Gibor".
First of all give me a reference for "El Hu Gibbor"?
Also, "Strong" is more correct??? !!!
You tell me what the Semetic-Arabic word for mighty?
Every Muslim knows that Mighty in Arabic is GABBAR. I
dare you to search any Arabic dictionary.
So in Hebrew, as the same in Arabic(GABBAR) GABBOR -
GIBOR is MIGHTY.
In fact one of the names of Allah in the Quran is
Al-Gabbar. Now, can you tell me what Al-Gabbar in the
Quran means? Will it be "strong" or "mighty"?
As in the Quran you have the names of Allah -
Al-Rahman(The compassionate) Al-Raheem(The mercifull),
Al-Quddos(The Holy one) ....
In the Bible we also have - Elohay Kedem (God of the
Beginning), Elohay Tz'vaot(God Of Hosts), Elohay
Mishpat (God Of Justice Isaiah 30:18), Elohay
Selichot(God Of Forgiveness Nehemiah 9:17), Elohay
Marom(God Of Heights Micah 6:6), Elohay Mikarov (God
Who Is Near Jeremiah 23:23), Elohay Chasdi(God Of My
Kindness Psalm 59:11, 17), Elohay Mauzi(God Of My
Strength Psalm 43:2), Elohay Tehilati(God Of My Praise
Psalm 109:1), Elohay Yishi(God Of My Salvation Psalm
18:47, 25:5), Elohay Elohim(God Of Gods Deuteronomy
10:17), Elohay Tzur(God Of Rock 2 Samuel 22:47),
Elohay Kol Basar (God Of All Flesh Jeremiah 32:27,
Elohay HaRuchot (God Of The Spirits Of All Flesh
Numbers 16:22).
Also we have "EL" is another name that is translated
as "God."
El is a simple form related to Elohim. It is used 200
times in the Scriptures, we have more then 99 names
- El HaNe'eman(The Faithful God Deuteronomy 7:9, El
HaGadol(The Great God Deuteronomy 10:17), El
HaKadosh(The Holy God Isaiah 5:16), El Yisrael, I love
that one(The God Of Israel Psalm 68:35), El
HaShamayim(The God Of The Heavens, Psalm 136:26), El
Sali(God Of My Rock Psalm 42:9), El Simchat Gili(God
The Joy Of My Exaltation Psalm 43:4), El Rah'ee(The
God Who Sees Genesis 16:13), El HaKavod (The God Of
Glory Psalm 29:3), El De'ot(The God Of Knowledge 1
Samuel 2:3), El Olam(The God Of Eternity, Genesis
21:33), El Echad(The One God Malachi 2:10), El
Rachum(The God Of Compassion Deuteronomy 4:31), El
Chanun(The Gracious God Jonah 4:2), and El Gibor(The
Mighty God Isaiah 9:6) and also Immanu El(God Is With
Us Isaiah 7:14). God's desire is to be with us.
>Anyway "El Gibor" and "Gabriel" are same thing. They
>both mean "Strong God". "Gabriel" is an angel's name
>in the Bible.
How is that? You are butchering Hebrew and even would
butcher the Arabic as long as it serves your argument,
for you have butchered "AL-Gabbar" that is written in
your own Quran.
Gabriel means God is Mighty, while El-Gebor means
Mighty God in Hebrew. There is no record where in the
OT of calling a king "Mighty God.". Indeed, el gibbor
occurs only 5 times in the entire OT and every time it
is found, it means strictly "Mighty God."
Even the Jews who denied Jesus in Targum Yonathan
translates Isaiah 9:6 as:
"The prophet announced to the house of David that:
"A boy has been born to us, a son has been given unto
us, who has taken the Torah upon himself to guard it;
and his name has been called by the One who gives
wonderful counsel, the Mighty God, He who lives
forever: 'Messiah,' in whose day peace shall abound
for us."
So there you have the ancient Rabbis admitting it.
>The word "Gibor" in Isaiah 9:6 and the word "Gibor"
>of Gabriel have exactly the same root, and they are
>both the same word. The word itself can also be
>translated as "Man of God".
Take this to a Hebrew scholar and see what he will
tell you. You are playing with the words. How can
anyone in Arabic say that Hazzaku-Allah and
Allah-Al-Gabbar are the same thing just because both
words have "Allah" in them, or Karim Abdul-Gabbar and
Al-Gabbar are the same thing just because the word
"Gabbar" is in both.
See how funny this sounds?
>By the way, "EL" can also mean "Judge". So "El
>Gibor" can also be translated as "Strong Judge".
This is outlandish.
>But anyhow, even if "Mighty God" was the right
>translation, it is still just a NAME given to Jesus
>and nothing more.
Try giving anyone in the world of Islam one of the 99
names of Allah that are written in the Quran and lets
see how far they get. And if they came to chop your
head off for blasphemy we can just argue that this is
"just a name".
Have a blessed weekend all
In Him
ILJ/Y
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