Christian/Muslim ThreadsQuran - Red Letter EditionWell then dont reply to me, cause that is what you are going to get. So tell me which one is the correct translation, they contradict each other ? You have no verification, you have demonstrated an error on their behalf but who is wrong. 1) Your original question was "You also believe God could not protect the torah given to Moses and this is now lost/corrupted" the answer to this was the quotation of Surah 5:44 that says the Torah was entrusted to Jews of its protection in which G-D was not its protector and which does not allude that G-D COULDNT protect his book. 2) Then I commented on this verse saying that " They failed in protecting Allah's word." Why ? because a) Allah entrusted the protection of the Torah to the Jews, in which He was exempted from being the protector of the Torah, and b) The present Torah contradicts the Quran in which Allah says the Quran is a "musadiq" ~ Truth Verifier/Authenticator for whatever is at hand with it. Being that it contradicts the Quran then they failed in protecting Allah's scripture other wise the present Torah would not have contradicted the Quran. Did I not tell you that "Kitaab" does not always denote a physical book? Also the verse is indefinite as to messengers.
Then Liberates source of Quotation say the following: Easily mixed up by who ? This does not directly of indirectly refute what I said "It was to asure the proper reading of the Quran by those who were students of Arabic " Then he makes another Quote : This supports my statement. As for the ignorant Arabs of that time is more than likely refering to those Arabs who barely knew how to read and write whom were still learning. There is no Hadeeth that gives the number of Hafazhatul-Quran that were killed and those who were not killed. Hadeeth reports that many Hafazhatul-Quran were killed in the battle of Yamama, it does not say the majority Hafazhatul-Quran were killed. I would like to know where you are getting this off the wall make believe number of 5 from ? Well then we can make this very hard. Since we have a problem of with translations here then we will use only the Quran since there can be no dispute about that No. Cause all Heralds ie Prophets were not messengers. There are two types of Prophets. 1) Nabiy and 2) Rasoolan Nabiyyan. Some Heralds were only Prophets and some were Prophetic messengers. Prophetic Messengers were the ones that received a "Kutub, Suhuf, or Zubur, that were to be writen to teach and instruct their people with. And if they treat thee as a liar, those who were before them also treated their Messengers as liars. Their Messengers came to them with clear Signs, and with the Scriptures, and with the illuminating Book Is this refering to ALL messengers ? No. The statement is indefinite. This verse following after 35:24 has only mentioned some not all. And again "kitaab" ~ does not always denote a physical Book. |
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