Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhat qualifies Muhamad as a prophet ?Liberate wrote:Somehow I knew this was coming now you are telling me your source has a wrong translation, this is what you have been doing from the beginning, this brings us back to our dilemma, where are your arabic scholar qualifications to dismiss the translation?
Actually I was waiting for you to stoop that low. The translation that were used where by prominant translators. We didnt even introduce our translation, YET. Wood you like the link to those other translators that you know nothing about ? Or did you think there were only three translations and only one Tafsir of Quran out there ?
We are dying to know which tafsir you are using to justify a Saudi oil prophecy, does it come from the same tafsir of al mujahid samir abdullah that you are unwilling to show your sources for? or maybe you are making it up yourself.
Liberate wrote:Just looking at the link should be obvious which sura it is talking about, the very same sura 9:28 which you are using as a prophecy of saudi oil, the tafsir speaks of the battle of hunayn, you suddenly now tell us this was revealed after the muslims gained control of Makkah ARE YOU DISAGREEING WITH THE TAFSIR?
Nope it was not disagreeing with the Tafsir. You just didnt read the tafsir muchless know how to count. A common trait by Christians with black hearts (Note: We are not speaking about Christian in general). That verse according to your source you are getting it from says the verse(28) was revealed in the 9 year of the Hijrah AFTER the battle of Hunayn that took place in 8th year.
I do not know what numbers you are talking about, here is the entire tafsir in it's context pls for the love of God show us any hint to Saudi oil:
(Then after that Allah will accept the repentance of whom He wills. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.) Allah forgave the rest of Huwazin when they embraced Islam and went to the Prophet , before he arrived at Makkah in the Ji`ranah area. This occurred twenty days after the battle of Hunayn. The Messenger gave them the choice between taking those who were prisoner or the war spoils they lost, and they chose the former. The Prophet released six thousand prisoners to them, but divided the war spoils between the victors, such as some of the Tulaqa', so that their hearts would be inclined towards Islam. He gave each of them a hundred camels, and the same to Malik bin `Awf An-Nasri whom he appointed chief of his people (Huwazin) as he was before. Malik bin `Awf said a poem in which he praised the Messenger of Allah for his generosity and extraordinary courage.
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(28. O you who believe! Verily, the Mushrikin are impure. So let them not come near Al-Masjid Al-Haram after this year; and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He wills, out of His bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.) (29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.)
Idolators are no longer allowed into Al-Masjid Al-Haram
Allah commands His believing servants, who are pure in religion and person, to expel the idolators who are filthy in the religious sense, from Al-Masjid Al-Haram. After the revelation of this Ayah, idolators were no longer allowed to go near the Masjid. This Ayah was revealed in the ninth year of Hijrah. The Messenger of Allah sent `Ali in the company of Abu Bakr that year to publicize to the idolators that no Mushrik will be allowed to perform Hajj after that year, nor a naked person allowed to perform Tawaf around the House. Allah completed this decree, made it a legislative ruling, as well as, a fact of reality. `Abdur-Razzaq recorded that Jabir bin `Abdullah commented on the Ayah,
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(O you who believe! Verily, the Mushrikin are impure. So let them not come near Al-Masjid Al-Haram after this year) "Unless it was a servant or one of the people of Dhimmah.'' Imam Abu `Amr Al-Awza'i said, "Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz wrote (to his governors) to prevent Jews and Christians from entering the Masjids of Muslims, and he followed his order with Allah's statement,
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(Verily, the Mushrikin are impure.) `Ata' said, "All of the Sacred Area [the Haram] is considered a Masjid, for Allah said,
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(So let them not come near Al-Masjid Al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year.)'' This Ayah indicates that idolators are impure and that the believers are pure. In the Sahih is the following,
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(The believer does not become impure.) Allah said,
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(and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you, out of His bounty.) Muhammad bin Ishaq commented, "The people said, `Our markets will be closed, our commerce disrupted, and what we earned will vanish.' So Allah revealed this verse,
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(and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you, out of His bounty), from other resources,
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(if He wills), until,
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(. ..and feel themselves subdued.) This Ayah means, `this will be your compensation for the closed markets that you feared would result.' Therefore, Allah compensated them for the losses they incurred because they severed ties with idolators, by the Jizyah they earned from the People of the Book.'' Similar statements were reported from Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, `Ikrimah, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Qatadah and Ad-Dahhak and others. Allah said,
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(Surely, Allah is All-Knowing), in what benefits you,
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(All-Wise), in His orders and prohibitions, for He is All-Perfect in His actions and statements, All-Just in His creations and decisions, Blessed and Hallowed be He. This is why Allah compensated Muslims for their losses by the amount of Jizyah that they took from the people of Dhimmah.
Please again show your audience the Saudi oil prophecy?
Now after we have cleaned up your mess, we go back to the original theme. Surah 9:28 gives a prophecy that was fulfilled in the future.
I am dazzled over here trying to figure out how you could make such a mistake. Did you misread ? Or you just didnt understand what you were reading ? Or you were just following what the other monkey was doing and didnt bother to go back and READ and COMPREHEND the source for verification. Just imagine how much more of islam you have mistaken about due to comprehension failure.
What mess have you cleaned up?
what mistake?
Which other monkey? (H20 I do not recall the last time you made a valid point, everybody who disagrees with you is a 'monkey' do you think stooping to personal insults will esteem you or islam?)
What are you talking about?
Liberate wrote:Let me get this straight when it says "soon allah will enrich you", it really means allah will enrich your descendants 1300+yrs later because your descendants are the ones fighting the quraish, and collecting booty, did you also notice the conditional conjunctive clause "if he wills" Did you read the tafsir? Do you realise the efficient job you are doing ridiculing your own beliefs?
Well lets see, according to your source Ibn Kathir clearifies "if he wills" the translation.
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(and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you, out of His bounty), from other resources,
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(if He wills), until,
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20938
What does ุฅูู ุดูุขุกู = in shaa (if He wills) in the Arabic language signifiy ?
In sha' allah
Other Commonly Used Spellings: INSHA ALLAH,INSHAA ALLA, INSHA ALLA,IN SHA' ALLA
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When a person wishes to plan for the future, when he promises, when he makes resolutions, and when he makes a pledge, he makes them with permission and the will of Allah. For this reason, a Muslim uses the Qur'anic instructions by saying "In Sha ' Allah." The meaning of this statement is: "If Allah wills." Muslims are to strive hard and to put their trusts with Allah. They leave the results in the hands of Allah.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/g ... INSHA.html
What have you proved with this patronizing exercise? Do you honestly think anybody is impressed with your semantic manoeuvres when it is blatantly obvious you are unable to back what it is you are trying to say, and hope to deviate attention by just elaborating on irrelevant terms a child already knows, thinking you have proved a point.
Would you care to show us the prophecy of Saudi oil in the tafsir?
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