Christian/Muslim ThreadsIs Communion really the body of Christ?Snipe Wrote: I will not call you a Protestant because I do not want to offend you, but in my view you are indeed a Protestant. However I will refrain from calling you such in the future. What church do you attend? Snipe Wrote: Actually yes it is too "hard" because I am very busy to be honest. Is it to hard to quote the exact verse/Paragraph? sorry to disappoint you but my posts are hardly ever based on emotions, but only what I know to be true. You keep going on about John 6:63 so I will address it. In John 6:63 addition to the movement of the Spirit, Jesus also says, “…the flesh counts for nothing.” Again, you and many Protestants have claimed that in such phrasing Jesus is discounting a literal interpretation of His words in John 6:54-58. The obvious problem with such a claim is that verse 63 is not discussing Jesus’ flesh and blood! rather it is addressing the disbelief of the Jews that was introduced in verse 60. Therefore, since the unbelief of the Jews is in the same textual proximity as the statement “the flesh counts for nothing,” the former must in someway explain the meaning of the latter, or dont you think so? Virtually everyone agrees that flesh in John 6:63 is not being used in the same sense as it is in 51-58, or else Jesus would be undermining everything he had just said about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. Sun Worship rituals? where is the proof I asked for? The only sun-Worshipping I see is people on the beaches getting a tan until they get a sun burn or skin cancer. Snipe Wrote: Lets take a closer look at 1 Corinthians. 1 Corinthians 11: 17-34 17. In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18. In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval. 20. When you come together, it is not the Lord's Supper you eat, 21. for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22. Don't you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not! Paul turns to a abuse connected with the liturgy, and a more serious one, for it involves neglect of basic Christian tradition concerning the meaning of the Lord's Supper. Paul recalls that tradition for them and reminds them of its implications. They are not receiving communion in a proper manner so Paul tells them bluntly that its not the Lords supper they are receiving, perhaps this is why they got drunk etc...? Yes I am part of the Roman Catholic Church, point is? what name would you like us to go in? ofcourse its in the name of Christ. Snipe Wrote: First of all I do not follow any "whore" refrain from saying that to me because it offends me, just like me calling you a Protestant offends you. The Church doesn't say we have no law, that is usally the OSAS Protestants not us my friend. Snipe Wrote: Going off topic I see? what exactly is your point? Snipe Wrote:
First of all can you try to stay on topic? Second of all the Church is the spiritual body of believers and it is also a physical church. Christ did NOT mean for each individual to be their own authority, but to follow the authority of elders ie.. church pastors, priests etc... The Church is the Body of Christ. 1 Cor 12:27 "Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it." Jesus also created the Church in Matthew 16:18. Some sacraments require a ministerial priesthood to hand out to the faithful. Look at Titus 1:5-9 where Paul gives guidance on choosing replacement bishops, which takes for granted that future bishops will be selected. It implies on ongoing church, which is in complete accord with Matthew 16:18 where Jesus says that He will build His Church and that Church will not fail. Is a Church “necessary”? Yes, it’s required by God to administer His Sacraments and communicate clearly to His people. It also is necessary to protect the Truth. The Church compiled the Bible and protected it from including books that contained error as well as making sure the books such as Revelation were included. If the Catholic Church did not exsist would you have a bible? You are in error to say that the "Church" is only spiritual. Also when you quote scripture could you please put the verse/paragraph numbers? or at least the book you are quoting from? Snipe Wrote: I am following God through the church He established, Unlike you I am not my own authority. Again could you please quote scripture with verse/paragraph and the book at least. Snipe Wrote: rituals? Man yoy cannot stay on topic can you? Can you at least be specific what "rituals" are you talking about? its not "hail marries" , it is Hail marys'. Only the word to him? oh really? and how did you get this word? I will tell you how, the Catholic Church. I dont drink the blood of You keep on drinking the blood of Tammuz, Mithra, Horus, and all of satan's other names if it pleases you to say such things then prove what you say, otherwise drop it. I have made my choice, you havent given me much to think about to be honest. That is one thing I agree with you on. Snipe Wrote: What exactly is your point? Snipe Wrote: In its liturgy, and in its official teaching, the Catholic Church affirms the teaching that the Mass that we celebrate is a true Sacrifice. Catholics also know that Christ is not and cannot be resacrificed. This has never been the teaching of the Catholic Church. The constant faith of the Church from the Apostolic Fathers attests to the fact that the Mass was the one Sacrifice of Calvary made present to the faithful. Cyprian (Carthage, 200-258), Letters, No 63:9 (To Caecilian) In which portion we find that the cup which the Lord offered was mixed, and that that was wine He called His Blood. Whence it appears that the blood of Christ is not offered if there be no wine in the cup, nor the Lord's sacrifice celebrated with a legitimate consecration unless our oblation and sacrifice respond to His passion. 1 Cor 11:24-26 "This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes. According to the above there is nothing wrong with having communion weekly. Paul also confirms in his letters the reality of the real presence; 1 Cor 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Snipe wrote: The Holy Eucharist, as Vatican II tells us, is "the source and summit of the Christian life" Snipe Wrote: Not at all, I enjoyed it. Snipe Wrote: Peace Psalms 34:8 - "O taste and see that the Lord is good!" |
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