Trinity DebateIs the Holy Spirit the 3rd person of the Trinity?I've addressed the verses and questions you've asked. In the process I posed some of my own questions. Perhaps there's more to Christianity than just the Bible. The false prophets are people like muhammed, Joseph Smith, Mani, etc. The fathers of the Church, including the ones who wrote these books, I doubt are the false prophets. All I know is that there's a pretty darn strong Christian prophecy in that book. It just coincides so well with the Gospels! It doesn't all new things. The Alexandrian Jews I'd imagine were just as orthodox as any other community of Jews. So they lived in a Greek city, the Greeks had conquered the ancient world for centuries. If you're denial of the Trinity is because of your anti-Catholic stances on issues, you should know that the Trinity should be treated seperately from Marian concepts which are more based on traditions. The Protestants here are as much Trinitarian. This concept is more scriptural, although you need to infer it. It's not too hard to infer, it's not "hidden". But God ultimately wants us to believe things about Him based on faith. You just need to see that there's more to Christ than a man, and there's more to the Spirit than merely a presence. This presence can respond, it exists here in those who believe. If I ask the Holy Spirit to comfort me, He comforts me and I literally feel that God is with me. If I had a perverted idea of who the Spirit is, I don't think that would happen! Being filled with the Holy Spirit back to the Holy Spirit, okay. Although the other issues in this dicussion are very relevant and I stay on topic. It's all related. See, the Father exists in Heaven. The Father seldom walks on this world. He appeared in visions and manifested His direct presence in the Ark which would kill men if they even touched it! When Jesus came, this was Emmanuel, God with us, and God walked among us teaching us the ways against sin and to be humble, and took away our sins!! How that He left, and He told His disciples this, that the Holy Spirit would be sent to be with them. The Holy Spirit is God that is manifest here with us, now after Christ has left. Through the Spirit we recognize Christ and we can have this personal relationship with God. The Spirit gives us strength, zeal, and strengthens faith. You've interpreted and stated the Spirit is just God's presence. I however, fail see the Spirit is just that. As much as I fail to see how Jesus is just a man. You need FAITH, Aineo. Faith in God, what God did for you and I, and what God IS. Who is God? A single-bodied being or a great Mystery? Isn't God our Savior and Teacher? He takes away our sins. God's presence can respond to all of us when we converse with him. This presence of God is sentient, one in nature with the Father. This Spirit reponds, gives power, etc. Is this impersonal? No. |
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