ArchivedSin: Are we reconciled or are we not?Well, by all means, please show me where I'm out of context and how I'm misrepresenting what you're saying. I'm not trying to quote you word for word - I'm trying to see if I understand what you're saying by rephrasing it in my own words. If I've got you wrong, then please say what you mean again, and I'll see if I understand that. I would not have replied you in this thread in the first place if I thought you were going to give me the answer I expected. This is a debate forum, not a "pat-your-likeminded-buddies-on-the-back" forum. You say you are living a sinless life...... and you call me absurd?! I never said this. Do not put words in my mouth. What I did say is that when I sin and am convicted, then I confess my sin and seek repentance...... as opposed to you who claim that you no longer need repentance because nothing you do is sin. Unbelief in what? That I have the ability to live a completely sinless life? Well, you're right. I don't believe that. I do believe that God has called me to live a sinless life, and that He desires for me to be perfect like His Son, but I also believe what Paul wrote in Romans 7, that though I want to live perfectly, my flesh is warring against my spirit, so that I find myself doing things that I don't want to do. You appear to be blind to the fact that, even though you're saved, there is still a spiritual war going on inside you, and you do have the ability to lose a battle every once in a while, even though the war is already won through Christ. How dare you attack me and my prayer life! :x You don't know me at all, and you stand there and throw out accusations like this?! And then you have the nerve to claim that you have not judged me?!?!? :x So, what is it then..... any one who has any different opinion than you automatically must be out of contact with the Spirit? Not trying to jump to conclusions here, but the phrase "holier than thou" springs to mind...... If that's what you want to call your post, be my guest. Like I said, I'm only trying to rephrase what you've said so I can be sure I understand what you're saying. If I've misrepresented you, please show me where I've done it, and rephrase so that I can understand you more clearly. Umm..... I'm not the one who came into this forum with her guns ablazin' saying that everyone who thinks they've sinned is not a Christian, and that anyone who disagrees with me is not in touch with God. Check your own posts, dear, and I think you'll see a bit of pride in them. But, hey.... at least pride doesn't count as a sin for you, right! Odd and hypocritical for me to say that I struggle with sin in my life? Do you also find it odd and hypocritical that Paul struggled with sin in his life? You just got done saying that I have not prayed about this and that I am puffed up with pride, and now you're saying you are not judging me? That's an outright lie. But, hey.... at least lying doesn't count as a sin for you, right! How have I judged you? If trying to understand where in the Bible you get your doctrine from is judging, then I guess I'm guilty. No, that's not my job, and I never claimed it was. Although that does bring up an interesting point. When we stand in judgement before God at the Judgement Seat of Christ, all of the sins we committed before we got saved are not a part of that judgment because we are judge for what we have done for Christ so that we can obtain our rewards and crowns. If we never do anything wrong, then what's the point in that judgment? Wouldn't we all get the same crown - the one of getting saved and never sinning again? But the Bible is clear that there are different crowns to be won. Again, not my job. When I stand before God, He will see me washed in the blood of His Lamb, and that's all I'll need to gain entrance into heaven. You, on the other hand, seem to be claiming that it takes more than faith to get to heaven. Faith plus a sinless life (read, "works") is necessary to obtain and maintain your salvation - this seems to be your teaching. Oh my goodness...... we agree on something! There you go, twisting my words again. I did not say I have a "relationship" with sin. I said I commit sins. And when I do, I confess them and get it right with God. If I had a relationship with sin, wouldn't you expect that I would not try to get that sin out of my life? I merely am identifying myself with Paul when he says:
No, I've gone over it with a critical mind, and I've found that you have contradicted yourself. You've said on one hand that if a Christian thinks he's sinned, then he has. Then on the other hand that it is not possible for a Christian to sin. It's not so much a "yes" or "no" that I want - it's an answer that doesn't contradict itself that I really want. Is this you not judging me again? Quoting a verse like this? If you're gonna quote a verse, use one that backs up your position, not one that says I've been blinded by Satan. That's sounds an aweful lot like judging to me. Imagine what you want. But if you're not experiencing the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then there's something wrong because that's one of His jobs. So either He's not doing it because He's not in your life at all, or He is doing it but you're just ignoring it. Where? I don't care if you offend me. I just would like to see you defend your position without contradicting yourself. Justified by faith means everything to me. It's you who is saying that in order to remain saved you have to continue in good works and not sin. Until you can do it without contradiction. So that's your catch-all? "I may have just lied there...... but I'm led by the Spirit, so I'm not under the law. So it couldn't have been sin!" Mine's in faith. Are you sure yours is in the cross? Because it seems like you pretty happy about the fact that you think you are living a sinless life. It's a good thing you've taken the high road of not judging, because otherwise I might have been offended at this blatant attack on my salvation. Sin is an action - a verb. It is not something that blame can be put on. Besides, even if it was, doesn't the fact that I confess show that I don't blame sin? If I thought it was sin's fault, then I wouldn't need to confess because it wasn't my fault to begin with. God's forgiveness doesn't work???? No. Read Romans 7 again. I merely identifying wth Paul. The things I want to do are the things I don't do, and the things I do are the things I don't want to do in the Spirit, but find myself doing in the flesh. There is nothing wrong with warring against sin. God promised that the Christian walk would not be an easy one. It is likened to a war, a fight, a long-distance marathon. You're saying it's a cake-walk because we can never do anything wrong. God doesn't agree with you. Who do you think is wrong? And you seem to have learned to be content with your life as it is right now, not growing spiritually. Again you twist my words. I never said it was good enough to just talk the talk. I only said I have struggles. The fact that I see the need to confess and get back on the right track should be confession enough for you. But I don't care what you think of me - God knows my heart. Mine is in God and the finished work of His Son on the cross. That's were yours used to be too, but then you got the idea that faith wasn't enough. You also had to live a perfect life to get to heaven. Your faith plus works doctrine is not Biblical. |
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