Science, Creation & EvolutionSudden appearance of phyla in the Cambrian explosionWell, Darwin's book is 150+ years old and laid the framework for modern evolutionary biology. It was a good start. If evolutionary biologists had been closed-minded on his book, we'd never have made significant progress in understanding the intricacies of evolutionary biology. So, today being 'close-minded' on Darwin's book is akin to saying "I won't drive a model-T as my day to day car". I guess I don't get what you are trying to say here. The topic of this board is science, creation and evolution. If these topics don't belong here and are not to be discussed, then why not change the title of the board? If the board is only open to non-scientists, then why not make that one of the rules? Personally, I think that scientists can bring good information to such a board, but if you are the boss and you tell me that scientists are not welcome on the board, I'll leave. No, I mentioned quite clearly that I have some thoughts on ID. I've also mentioned that several prominent ID proponents have indicated that ID is not science. I merely think it's important to make sure everyone knows what ID is and what it is not. Science journals will publish a wide range of well thought out ideas, that's really all it takes. Hmm, this is partially true, but paints a much dimmer picture than reality (in my experience). Challenging the status quo is tough because it demands that you build a strong case for the challenge. Merely saying "I don't like this idea" is unlikely to get you published, but saying "This idea has problems whereas my new idea eliminates those problems and offers up a better unifying concept" are likely to get published. I've also found that provocative articles that are well-defended will also get published. What I am trying to say is that merely complaining about perceived failings of a concept is not enough unless you can offer something better. That does not seem to fit with what you said above. I thought that was one of the Popes, thanks for giving me the correct source!! I don't think this is true at all. I've just finished an article on the origin of life. Science journals ranging from biology to geology to astronomy are replete with these sorts of investigations. Well, science is a naturalistic pursuit by definition so that's hardly a damning statement from you. That's an absolute position and is indefensible. Many of my colleagues and friends would disagree with you. You have to be careful painting an absolutist picture such as this. There may be some scientists who fit the statement as there would be some religious leaders who fit the statement (sub religion for science in your sentence), but the statements are both false and really do not forward the debate. I've never tried to run this board. I try to follow the rules and ask for clarification of the rules when I am not clear. I've also never insisted that science must be in control of a forum (whatever that means to you). It's interesting that your explanation is Goddidit. Perfectly acceptable to me, but it leads to the follow up questions such as might be posed by an equally devout Muslim "Allah did it" or a Buddhist "It always was". How would we test the alternative hypotheses? WHat evidence, if provided would cause you to abandon your hypothesis that the God of the bible did it? Neither is ID! I never said that all science is about the quality of life, but we are curious folk and finding answers is part of the joy of living. Not knowing is not a bad thing, not searching is (IMO). I have not seen our discussion get too off-track. Nothing like finishing with a good ad-hom. I have no control over this board, don't want control over this board and am willing to participate in the discussion according to its rules. I've tried to post relevant information, ask probing questions and correct myself when I might have been out of line. If you see that as 'control freak' than I have no idea how any meaningful conversation may ensue and I'll make sure not to try to engage you in discussion. There are many other boards and many others willing to have a spirited exchange even when we disagree. -E |
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