Aieno Wrote:
You made a statement that you can prove the Marian doctrines using only
The Catholic Encyclopedia just proved you lied.
First of all, I do not lie. When I said that I could prove my beliefs using the bible alone, I ment that this is what I was actually doing here in this forum! have I presented to you any tradition?
tuppence Wrote:
If that were true, which it is not, then you would be making your appeal via Sola Scriptura....
Show me where I used tradition to prove anything.
Sola scripture is a man made unbiblical doctrine that has no base in the bible. The only reason I am using the method of Sola Scripture to prove my points is because you do not accept tradition.
David Wrote:
Romesweatrome
I just want to clarify some things. I believe that the Catholic church as a system of teaching, or an organization, is apostate, meaning "it" is far enough away from the truth of the essentials to be considered non-truth and cannot save if taken in it's fullness as they teach it.
I believe a person who is apostate was never saved, only unmasked as a pretender.
Like you said, thats what
YOU believe, and I am not intrested in what your personal beliefs are, I am intrested in what you can prove from the bible concerning those beliefs.
David Wrote:
On the other hand, I believe there are some Catholics, that in spite of this false teaching from within their camp, for many different reasons can be and are saved. Mostly due to their not fully understanding the teaching of the Catholic church. I have known Catholics who when confronted with clear quotes and Catholic writings, and shown how this conflicts with the clear meaning of scripture, would then take that to their priest or elder only to be told that "this is not what we teach". So they convince themselves that all these things being said against the Catholic church is done out of hate or jealousy when nothing could be further from the truth
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What false teachings are you on about? and what "camp"?
David Wrote:
I have Catholic friends, and from what I see they are on their way out of Catholicism, they just need to do it in their own time.
So what? I have protestant friends who are on their way out of Protestantism, and vice versa, it happens all the time so what is your point?
more Christians are converting to Islam then any other religion, shouldn't that concern you more?
David Wrote:
I believe (in agreement with Macarthur) that the Catholic church is the single most fertile ground for evangelism today.
I could care less what you or Macarthur think, the fact is the most fertile ground for evangelism today should be Islam, not catholicism.
Islam is the fastest growing religion today, so I dont know what you or Macarthur are on about!
David Wrote:
So, i'm sorry if I came across as a Catholic basher because i'm not. I treat people differently than I do a system of teaching like Catholism. I will always reach out to those who I believe are lost or stumbled, but never give an inch to organized religion.
Most Protestants say that Jesus is about relationship not religion. Catholics fully agree that Jesus is about relationship. Catholics don't think that this personal relationship negates the need for religion.
James 1:26-27 we read the following:
"If any one thinks he is
religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this man's
religion is vain.
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this . . ."
There is nothing wrong with organized religion or Hierarchical authority.
David Wrote:
So, having said that, what really concerns me is that you see nothing wrong with that prayer I posted. It is an abomination to God, believe me.
There was nothing wrong with the prayer you posted. If you think there is something wrong with that prayer then prove it to me using your method of Sola Scripture, instead of asking me to just believe you, because I wont.
David Wrote:
Would you be willing to hear people out and "test all things" with us?
I am willing, are you?
David Wrote:
If you truly believe that you have truth on your side, then you should have no problem with this at all. I'm not going to nail you if you are not a great theologian, we can examine these things together and if at the end we still cannot agree, then so be it. But I think some good can come out of it, so what do you say?
I say, lets do it.