Christian/Muslim ThreadsThe Miracles of Islam
What do you mean here H2O? would you care to show us these missing verses? If you mean why does the catholic bible have extra books to the 66 books in the protestant bible then I hope you are aware of the difference between a canon and a translation. Those extra books were added in 1546 at the council of Trent by the RCC the original 66 books (39 old testament and 27 new testament) were ratified and part of the bible by 397AD, the books that were not included were the apocrypha, the old testament apocrypha (IE books written after Zechariah) were not deemed as inspired scripture (by jews too) even the authors of these books themselves state that there were not inspired scripture, the new testament apocrypha were not included (such as your koranic plagiarised story of Jesus making a bird out of clay (in the apocrypha the bird is killed by Jesus)) if it could not be traced to an apostle or disciple of an apostle, books were excluded that did not disagree with christian doctrine but if they didn't match the very stringent measures put forward they were discarded (I say discarded I didn't say there were burnt, to this day nearly all apocrypha can be found, just do a search on the internet; can this be said of the varying korans during Uthmann's time? Who had people physically beaten up for not giving their koranic version up for his bonfire.) To the muslim the KJV,NKJV,NASV, NIV, GNB are all proof that there are various bibles and therefore it cannot be from God, but this ofcourse is a misunderstanding, as you are no doubt aware languages change over time, words loose their meaning take on completely different meanings(eg gay during victorian times doesn't mean gay now hence that verse in the bible of put on the gay clothing looks like something a homosexual would like to hear in this day and age), for the living word of God to be relevant to each era and to all people it ofcourse has be translated ( a pity the same cannot be said of your koran since apparently according to you it looses it's meaning from the arabic!!!) There are two schools in the area of biblical translations, critical text manuscripts and majority text manuscripts, the KJV is based on the majority text manuscripts (IE the most available manuscripts) newer translations of the bible such as the NIV use critical textual manuscripts, (ie they utilise the oldest manuscripts at hand). None of these methods adds verses to the bible or omit verses anymore than the kjv or older versions added to the bible, it is a simple re-enactment given the available manuscripts based on either age or quantity, again not one iota of christian doctrine is changed regardless of critical text manuscripts or majority text manuscripts. If we did not have one biblical manuscript there are over 86,000 quotations from the early church fathers for all but 11 verses of the new testament to be reconstructed. Do we have the equivalent for the koran? oh the yemeni manuscripts that is no longer up for scrutiny for fear of what will be found?? I would like to see these missing verses of the bible that you alledge H2O or will you at this point abandon the thread as you have been doing lately?
Since you like using WE, US and OUR why don't you include the proper pronoun seeing you are an american, or does islam make you anti-american? Not surprising at all, democracy and islam are oxymorons.
This is a desperate attempt to deflect focus on what Puin said by pointing to a biased source. Christoph Luxemberg's book is coming out this December which will contain more from Puin, you will be very interested on what he has to say aside from Puin. You do know that "HIS FINDINGS" are what led to his "Theory"?
BAH HUmbug it is defective because it doesn't make sense there is evidence of revision on the parchment itself, no diacritical dots, can't differentiate b's t's and h's... |
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